You’re Not Doing This Alone | Hao Hao 先别慌，我在 ｜ 浩浩 — A chaotic arrival in Germany, the long road through law school, and a hand to hold high above Oktoberfest. In our first conversation, Tao Tao and Hao Hao share how friendship makes life abroad feel a little less daunting.
初到德国的手忙脚乱、读法律的漫长日常，还有啤酒节高空飞椅上的一句“你在吗”。朋友系列第一期，桃桃和浩浩聊聊：我们怎样在异乡，慢慢成为彼此的安全网。
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桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 00:12NOW Hello, my dear listeners, hi everyone. 哈喽各位亲爱的听众朋友们，大家好。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 00:16NOW This is the first episode of the Friends series on RESOU. 这里是 RESOU 的朋友系列的第一期 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 00:20NOW This time, I'm so happy to have a very special guest with us. 这一期非常开心邀请到了特别来宾。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 00:23NOW First, let's say hi to everyone. 还是先来和大家打招呼。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 00:25NOW I'm Tao Tao, the host of RESOU. 我是 RESOU 的主播桃桃 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 00:29NOW Hi everyone, I'm Hao Hao, friend of our host, Tao Tao. 大家好，我是主播桃桃的朋友浩浩 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 00:33NOW She's our very first guest, and a very precious one. 这是非常珍贵的第一期嘉宾。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 00:37NOW Mm, if you know me in everyday life, 嗯，在平常生活中认识我的人。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 00:40NOW you almost certainly know Hao Hao too. 应该绝大部分的人都认识浩浩。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 00:44NOW You probably know her as one of the very few Chinese students studying law in Germany. 大家可能对浩浩的印象是，浩浩是为数不多的正在德国念法律专业的中国籍的法学生。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 00:53NOW In future, she plans to become a practising lawyer in Germany. 以后呢，是计划要在德国进行执业的律师。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 00:59NOW At the same time, Hao Hao is a lovely little ray of sunshine who's always working out with us 同时呢，浩浩是一个非常nice的小太阳，经常陪着我们一起运动， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 01:05NOW and grabbing meals with us. 一起吃饭。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 01:06NOW But in this episode, I want to show you a Hao Hao you don't usually get to see. 但是呢，这一期想带大家看到和平时不一样的浩浩。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 01:11NOW I'm so happy. 我很开心 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 01:14NOW And I'm truly honoured to kick off the Friends series of the RESOU podcast with Hao Hao. 我也非常荣幸能够和浩浩开启 RESOU 的朋友系列的播客。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 01:21NOW Since it's our first episode, I'd really love for you all to 作为第一期呢，我很想让大家 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 01:25NOW get to know Hao Hao and me all over again. 再认识一下我和浩浩。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 01:29NOW So we'll start by introducing each other in three keywords. 所以呢，我们开头的话会用三个关键词来介绍彼此。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 01:35NOW Mm. 嗯。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 01:35NOW To me, Tao Tao is someone who rises from the mud unstained, who has a real gift for loving others, 在我眼中，桃桃是一个出淤泥而不染，并且非常有爱人的能力， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 01:44NOW and who's a really strong woman. 也非常坚强的一个女生 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 01:47NOW Mm, honestly, with those three words, it doesn't sound like you're describing a friend anymore — 嗯，就是，现在感觉这三个词形容下来已经不是，对朋友的形容了， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 01:54NOW it sounds like you're describing an idol. 感觉已经是在对idol的形容了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 01:56NOW Exactly, exactly. You're my idol! 没错，没错，你就是我心中的idol 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 02:00NOW But now everyone's going to be really curious about how the two of us met. 但是这样子的话，大家感觉很会很好奇我们两个是怎么样认识的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 02:05NOW So, since this is the Friends series, should we 所以作为朋友系列呢，我们要不要还是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 02:09NOW start by telling our listeners how we met? 先和听众们讲一下我们两个人是怎么相识的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 02:13NOW Sure. We actually met at a mutual friend's coffee meetup. That evening, everyone started by introducing themselves, 可以，我们认识其实是在一个共同好友的咖啡局上，当天晚上其实大家都会先自我介绍一下， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 02:24NOW and we each talked about roughly what we do — work, studies and so on. 然后我们各自讲了就是大概什么样的职业或者是学业等等。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 02:30NOW Then the conversation got deeper and we got onto our work experiences. And that whole evening, Tao Tao and I were the only two girls there. 就聊得深了，就聊到一些工作经历上的事情，然后那天晚上整个局上只有我跟桃桃两个女生 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 02:38NOW And the first time I had a crush on Tao Tao was when she was explaining her name. 然后我当时我其实第一次crush桃桃，就是她在介绍自己的名字的时候， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 02:45NOW She said it comes from a line of poetry, "good rain knows its season". I was like, wow, what a poetic name. 她说我的名字是有一句诗叫「好雨知时节」，我说哇，我听了我感觉就是好文艺的名字。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 02:54NOW And I thought, why does my name sound so manly? 就觉得我自己的名字怎么这么阳刚 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 02:59NOW But your name actually has a noble, upright spirit to it. I think it really suits someone studying law. 但是这个名字其实是有一种浩然正气在的，我感觉这个名字就很适合法律这个专业 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 03:08NOW Right? When people hear it, it's practically deafening. 是吧，就让人听了之后震耳欲聋的声音 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:11NOW Mm. 音 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:13NOW Right. 对 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:14NOW Actually, my first impression of Hao Hao came from that day, when we were having coffee together. 其实我眼中那一天，对浩浩的印象，一开始就是来自于那一天在一起喝咖啡的时候， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:23NOW It was the very first time we'd met. Hao Hao had just finished a whole day at work, 呃那天完全是第一次见，浩浩其实刚结束了一整天的工作， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:29NOW and on top of that, she was in the middle of some really heavy exams. 而且当时呢，她又是在经历一个非常繁重的学业考试的状态。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:36NOW At first, actually, 一开始其实 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:38NOW none of us were 大家都 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:38NOW exactly bursting with energy. 不是说处在一个精力很高的情况。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:43NOW So 所以 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:43NOW I thought, since we'd all got together like this, and I was glad to meet everyone, 我在希望说既然有这样子的一个聚会，很荣幸能够见到大家， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:50NOW I wanted to get to know everyone a bit better. So during the introductions, I shared a bit more of my own experiences, 所以想要多了解，多认识一点大家，因此呢，在自我介绍环节的时候就会讲一些更多一点的经历 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 03:59NOW you know. I never expected that because I'd shared a bit more about myself, Hao Hao would, in turn, 嘛，没有想到浩浩会因为我讲了更多一点自己的事情，所以呢， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 04:06NOW tell me so much more about the road she's travelled. 她就跟我讲了更多的她怎么样一路走来的故事。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 04:10NOW Those stories are so, so moving, and really special too. 这些故事都非常非常动人，而且也很特别。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 04:14NOW I think I'll save them for a future episode to share with you. 我想会留到之后的节目里面，嗯，跟大家分享。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 04:18NOW So for now, let me first 所以在这里呢，先 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 04:22NOW tell you about Hao Hao as I see her. 和大家讲我眼中的浩浩。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 04:24NOW If 如果 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 04:25NOW I had to describe her in three words, they'd be: resilient, 一定要用三个词来形容她的话，就是，坚韧 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 04:32NOW brave, and gentle. 勇敢，还有温柔。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 04:34NOW And if I had to qualify them a little, it'd be a resilience that's unbending no matter how often she's knocked down. 然后一定要给这三个词增加一点限定的话，那就是，嗯，百折不弯的坚韧 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 04:43NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 04:45NOW That's really high praise. But honestly, I'll admit that in real life, it's exactly 我觉得这个评价真的很高，但是我其实，也蛮承认自己在现实生活中其实 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 04:54NOW the person I hope 是我自己期待 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 04:55NOW to become, 自己成为 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 04:55NOW that version of me. So I'm really happy Tao Tao truly sees me, 的一个人的这种样子，所以我其实很开心桃桃可以真正地看见我， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 05:03NOW and I'm really grateful to her. 而且我很感谢桃桃。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 05:04NOW Since becoming my friend, she's helped me so much. That's why I've always thought she's the best, best, best friend. 成为我的朋友以后帮助了我很多，所以我一直觉得她是最棒最棒最棒的朋友 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 05:11NOW And also heaven's 而且也是上天 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 05:13NOW gift to this beautiful world. 赐予这个美好世界的一份礼物 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 05:16NOW Great, promote me exactly like that from now on. 好，以后就这么宣传我。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 05:17NOW Mm. 嗯， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 05:19NOW Yeah, and I think her resilience is 对，她的坚韧我觉得也是， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 05:23NOW rare, too. And she's brave to the point of burning her boats. 少见的，然后，那种勇敢的程度是破釜沉舟的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 05:29NOW And on top of that, there's her gentleness. I think it takes a really strong, really steady heart 嗯，再加上这种温柔呢，我觉得需要一个非常强大、非常坚定的内心， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 05:38NOW to keep being so patient with friends when everyday life is tedious and tough. 才能在一切日常都很琐碎、很不容易的时候，依然保持着对朋友非常耐心的输出。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 05:48NOW At least, in all the time I've known Hao Hao, I've still had moments when my emotions were all over the place, 至少，从我认识浩浩到现在，我可能都还有情绪非常不稳定的时候， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 05:54NOW but with me, Hao Hao has always 但是浩浩对于我呢，就是，永远都是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 05:57NOW caught me, steady and sure, without ever getting impatient. 坚定地接住我，没有任何不耐烦的时候。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 06:01NOW Mm. 嗯 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 06:02NOW Actually, I think it goes both ways. 其实我觉得这也是一个相互的作用。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 06:05NOW In everyday life, I'm used to being a sort of think tank, 平时我也是在生活中习惯扮演了一个比较智囊团， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 06:12NOW or the one who supports 或者是支持 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 06:13NOW other people, that kind of role. 他人的一个角色 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 06:14NOW …role. 色。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 06:14NOW Exactly. 没错 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 06:15NOW Right. And ever since I met Tao Tao, whenever I hit hardships or setbacks, 对，然后自从遇到了桃桃以后呢，其实我觉得我就是遇到困难挫折的时候， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 06:21NOW I can show her my more vulnerable side too. So we really treasure each other. 在桃桃面前也会展露自己比较脆弱的一面，所以我们都很珍惜彼此。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 06:28NOW Right. I think, for both of us, 对，我觉得大家 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 06:31NOW most of the time these days, it's about 大部分的时候现在其实是在 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 06:35NOW looking after each other and keeping each other company when we're feeling flat and drained. 没有心气，没有那么高能量的时候都在呵护彼此，陪伴彼此。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 06:43NOW So 所以 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 06:43NOW we're each other's safety net, basically. 是彼此的安全网类型来的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 06:46NOW Mm, yeah. 嗯，是的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 06:53NOW Speaking of names, when I introduce myself, to make it easy for people to remember, 刚刚聊到名字的部分，我经常会跟别人介绍为了别人好记嘛， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 07:00NOW I say my name comes from a line of poetry. But Hao Hao's name… 就是说我的名字其实是来源于一句诗，但是浩浩的名字呢， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 07:05NOW she's always — well, she's always poking fun at her own name. Because, honestly, 她经常，她其实经常来吐槽自己的名字，因为，呃说实话， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 07:10NOW the first time I told other friends that I had a friend called Ma Yuanhao, 我在和，其他的朋友第一次讲说我有一个朋友，她的名字叫马源浩的时候， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 07:19NOW almost everyone guessed, "Oh, is that a guy you're really close to?" 绝大部分人都会猜测，哦，这个是一和你关系很好的男生吗？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 07:25NOW And I'd say, no, no, she's a really gentle, pretty girl — don't talk about her like that! 哦，我说没有，没有，是一个非常温柔漂亮的女孩子，不要这样说人家 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 07:31NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈哈。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 07:32NOW Yeah. The main reason my name sounds so manly is that my parents 对，然后其实我的名字听起来这么阳刚，主要是，呃是源于我父母呢， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 07:39NOW went to a naming master not long after I was born. 他们在我出生没多久就找了一位大师。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 07:43NOW And, yeah, they asked the master if he could give their child a name 哦，然后，对，他们希望，说，大师啊，你们，可以不可以给我的孩子起一个比较 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 07:50NOW that would make her life go a little more smoothly, 让这个孩子一生顺遂一点 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 07:53NOW that kind of thing. 的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 07:54NOW Mm, 嗯， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 07:54NOW a name for a safe, easy life. 然后平安顺利的一种名字。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 07:56NOW Right, and the master came up with several options. 对，然后大师当时给了好几个选择。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 07:59NOW Actually… 其实 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 08:00NOW Back then — do you still remember 当时还，你还记得 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:00NOW them? Yeah, I do. 吗，对，我还记得。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:01NOW One of the other names was Ma Ziteng. 我还有另外一个名字叫马紫藤。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:04NOW But that sounds kind of tacky. And my parents… 但是这个听起来很俗气，然后我父母呢， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 08:09NOW Ma Ziteng sounds even manlier than Ma Yuanhao — like the macho 马紫藤感觉比马源浩更阳刚一个 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:12NOW version! 版本呢， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:13NOW But it's written with "zi" as in purple and "teng" as in vine, so you'd probably think it's 但是它的写法的话是紫色的紫，然后藤的话是藤蔓的藤，你会觉得可能， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:19NOW a rather seductive sort of name. In the end, my parents went with… well, they said 比较那种妖娆一点的名字吧，然后我父母呢，他们就最后选了说， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:25NOW I'm short on water in my five elements, because I was 我五行缺水，因为我是 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:29NOW born on 22 May 2000, and my five elements are lacking in water, 2000年5月22日的生日，然后我五行是比较缺水的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:34NOW since I was born in the Year of the Dragon. 因为我属龙嘛 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 08:35NOW Ah, and so… 啊，然后 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:36NOW So if my name had more water in it, I could summon wind and rain, that kind of thing. 就是，如果名字里带水多一点的话，可以呼风唤雨的那种 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 08:41NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:42NOW So, so… 所以，所以 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 08:43NOW So that set you up to be all righteous from day one. 一开始就奠定了这个一身正气 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:47NOW Exactly. But having this name, I don't feel like I'm summoning wind and rain at all. 没错，然后但是有了这个名字呢，反而让我觉得我不是呼风唤雨， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:51NOW I feel like my name just makes me an attention-grabber. (laughs) 我觉得我是一个，在名字里的显眼包，哈哈哈 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 08:56NOW Every single time I started a new school — primary, middle, high school — and everyone heard the teacher read out my name, 每一次，每一次就是小学初中高中开学，然后大家，听老师念到我名字 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 09:04NOW that's when my 的时候，同 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 09:04NOW classmates and teachers all assumed I was a boy. 学和老师第一反应都是我是男生 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 09:07NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 09:08NOW Such a manly name… 很阳刚的名 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 09:08NOW …but it's such a contrast with how you look, actually. 字，但是和外表呢有非常大的反差，其实 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 09:12NOW Yeah. (laughs) 是，哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 09:13NOW So is it because your full name sounds too tough that you'd rather friends just call you Hao Hao, 就是因为大名太过于刚硬了，所以你才会比较喜欢平时朋友们直接叫你浩浩吗， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 09:22NOW the doubled-up nickname? 叠着字去叫你的昵称 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 09:25NOW Yeah. Because I used to think, look, other girls' names all sound so pretty, 对，因为我之前想过，就是你看其他女生的这个名字都很好听， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 09:31NOW and doubling them up makes them sound really cute. Like Tao Tao, that sounds so cute. 你就叠字的话就会显着很可爱，比如说桃桃啦，听起来很可爱， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 09:37NOW But my name, Hao Hao, still sounds like a boy's name. And, but… 你像我的名字呢，浩浩其实听起来还是男生的名字，然后，但是。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 09:43NOW But it's already a lot cuter… 但是已经可爱很多 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 09:45NOW …yeah, yeah. And I thought about going by Yuanyuan back then, but that felt awkward too, 了，对对，然后我当时在想要不要叫我源源，但是也很别扭， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 09:49NOW so I thought, forget it. 我说算了吧 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 09:50NOW "Just call me Hao Hao." No, but honestly, with Yuanyuan, people's first thought would be the giant panda. 就叫我浩浩吧，不是，圆圆我感觉第一反应大家还是会想到大熊猫的名字 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 09:55NOW Really? Yeah. And being called Hao Hao feels warmer and more familiar to me, 是吗，对，然后如果叫浩浩的话，会给我一种更加亲切的感觉， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 10:02NOW because at home, whether it's my elders or 因为我在家里面不管是长辈还是 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 10:05NOW my close friends, everyone calls me Hao Hao. So I'd rather people just call me Hao Hao. 平时比较亲近的朋友都会喊我浩浩，所以我觉得更偏向说大家喊我浩浩就好 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 10:11NOW Ah. 啊 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 10:13NOW So we actually get the family treatment, calling you the same name your family does. 那我们其实享受了和你家里人叫你一样名字的待遇 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 10:18NOW Exactly, exactly. 没错，没错。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 10:20NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 10:26NOW Besides Hao Hao, the nickname people jokingly call you most must be Lawyer Ma, 除了浩浩之外，大家平时开玩笑叫最多的，你的外号应该是马律， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 10:34NOW right? 是不是 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 10:34NOW Yes, it is. ？是的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 10:34NOW Lots of my friends call me Lawyer Ma. 很多身边朋友都叫我马律。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 10:37NOW That's a term of respect, isn't it? 这是一种尊称吧？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 10:40NOW No, no. At first I found it pretty funny, but actually, I'd rather people didn't call me that. 没有，没有，就刚开始是觉得蛮好笑的，但是其实我是不太偏向于大家这样称呼我 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 10:49NOW Oh, why? 哦，为什么？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 10:50NOW I feel like I'm still miles away from becoming a lawyer. 我感觉，我离成为律师还有十万八千里 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 10:54NOW So it's like the 81 trials in Journey to the West, and you've only cleared the first ten. 就九九八十一难，现在才过了前面十难 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 10:59NOW Right. 对。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 11:00NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 11:00NOW OK then, let's keep it on hold for now. 那行，就是，先保留着 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 11:04NOW Yeah, keep it 对先保留 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 11:05NOW on hold. And when you really do become Lawyer Ma, I'll print that title everywhere, 着，呃等你真正成为马律的时候，我就会把你的那个title印在所有的地方， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 11:11NOW Exactly — carved on my tombstone, to stay with me for life. 没错，就是刻在墓志铭上跟一辈子的那种 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 11:14NOW No problem, no problem. 没问题，没问题， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 11:23NOW I wonder, listening to us chat, would you guess Hao Hao is from the south or the north? 不知道大家在听我们两个聊天的时候会猜浩浩是南方人还是北方人呢？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 11:30NOW Anyway, the first time I met Hao Hao, with her gentle, graceful looks and that soft way she talks, 反正我第一次见浩浩的时候，因为她非常温婉的长相，而且这样温温柔柔说话的语气， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 11:41NOW I… was totally convinced at first that she was a southerner, until she told me she's from the north. 我……一开始特别坚定地以为她是南方人来着，直到她跟我说她是北方人， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 11:48NOW I was stunned. 给我震惊了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 11:49NOW Actually, I quite like it when people take me for a southerner, because in my mind, southern girls all have that… gentle, sweet 其实我蛮喜欢大家把我看作南方人的，因为在我印象里面南方女孩也都是比较……温婉可人的 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 11:58NOW look and way of speaking. 长相和这种说话的声音。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 12:01NOW I always worry my gruff way of talking will scare people. 我很担心自己粗犷的那种语气会吓到别人 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 12:05NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 12:05NOW Yeah, but actually I'm from Shijiazhuang, in Hebei Province. 对，但是其实我是来自于河北省石家庄市。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 12:10NOW Yeah. 对 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 12:11NOW That's really, really far north. 很北很北了 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 12:12NOW Yeah, pretty far 对，蛮北 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 12:13NOW north. 的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 12:14NOW (laughs) So the food we always talk about, the stuff you love to eat, like 哈哈哈，哈哈，所以我们经常聊到的说，你喜欢吃的像是， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 12:20NOW donkey-meat burgers (lürou huoshao) and the Eight Big Bowls — those are specialities from your hometown, right? 呃驴肉火烧啊，还有八大碗那些，其实算是你家乡里面比较特色的美食，对吗 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 12:27NOW Yes, yes. Like the Eight Big… the Zhengding Eight Big Bowls. In it, there's… 对的，对的，像，呃，八大，正定八大碗呢，它里面就是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 12:34NOW (laughs) What's in it? 哈哈，有什么， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 12:36NOW Allow me to explain. 容许我介绍一下 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 12:38NOW The Eight Big Bowls… where I'm from — I'm from Hubei — I'd never even heard of that kind of meal, 八大碗，我们那边是，我是湖北人，我是从来没有听说过八大碗这个类型， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 12:46NOW but the way you describe it, it sounds like a really lavish spread. 但是你这样一说我感觉是一个非常丰富的系列菜了 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 12:50NOW Yeah, it's a really interesting meal. The textures are so layered, 对，它这个菜就是蛮有意思的，它的这个口感层次非常丰富， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 12:56NOW combining pan-frying, deep-frying, steaming and so on. There are eight bowls, and each bowl holds a different dish, 集合煎、油、炸蒸等等各个工序，然后有八个碗，然后每个碗里面它放的菜是不一样的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 13:05NOW like 比如说 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 13:06NOW Four Joy meatballs, lion's head meatballs, crispy fried pork, stuffed lotus root, braised pork knuckle, pork belly 有四喜丸子，然后有狮子头、酥肉、藕夹、扣肘、调 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 13:11NOW strips, kelp 子肉、海带 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 13:13NOW shreds, bone-in pork hock — that kind of thing. 丝、带把肘子这种。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 13:15NOW Right, and the flavour, it's quite salty, savoury and rich. 对，它的那个味道，比较咸香浓郁的口感 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 13:19NOW Who on earth came up with all this? 这玩意到底谁研究出来的？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 13:22NOW I don't know the history of the Zhengding Eight Big Bowls. 这个正定八大碗的历史我不知道 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 13:27NOW Anyway, as long as you love eating it 反正爱吃就是 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 13:28NOW Right, loving it is enough. 对，爱吃就行。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 13:31NOW I honestly had no idea what Hebei had that was particularly special… 那我真的还不知道说河北有什么比较特别的…… 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 13:37NOW mm, to eat. Because when you mention Beijing, people usually say roast duck, 嗯，好吃的东西，因为你往往就提到北京，大家就会说烤鸭啊， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 13:46NOW zhajiang noodles. Mention Hangzhou, and people think of signature dishes like West Lake vinegar fish. (laughs) 炸酱面嘛，然后提到什么杭州啊，大家也会想到一些代表性的吃的什么西湖醋鱼啦，哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 13:55NOW And Chongqing, Chengdu, those go without saying: hotpot, skewers… 那，重庆、成都这些更不用说了什么火锅串串 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 14:01NOW You can rattle them off. But with Hebei, it's hard to think of any signature foods, 嗯，信手拈来，但提到河北好像就不太容易想到一些特别特色的美食， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 14:08NOW so it was you who introduced me to the Eight Big Bowls today. And before that, I'd often hear you say, oh, 所以今天是你给我介绍的八大碗，包括我以前老听你讲，哦， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 14:14NOW how badly you were craving donkey-meat burgers. That's when I learned, OK, Shijiazhuang actually has so much good 你说很很馋驴肉火烧的时候，我才知道，OK，这个原来石家庄市有这么多好吃 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 14:21NOW food. 的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 14:21NOW Yeah, exactly. And Shijiazhuang's actually a pretty fun place. It 对，是的，而且其实石家庄市也蛮有趣的，它 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 14:26NOW …mm, actually ……嗯，其实 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 14:26NOW has lots of other tourist spots too. For example, you've probably all 还有很多其他的旅游景点，嗯，比如说，呃你们应该都 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 14:31NOW heard of the old TV series of Dream of the Red Chamber. It was actually filmed in Zhengding County, Shijiazhuang, Hebei. 知道这个，旧版《猴龙梦》它的这个电视剧，它拍摄点其实就是在河北省石家庄市的正定县 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 14:40NOW Oh! 哦 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 14:42NOW So the real Grand View Garden is in your 所以真正的大观园是在你们那 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 14:44NOW hometown? Yeah, yeah. 儿呢，对对 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 14:45NOW I don't think I've ever heard you speak Shijiazhuang dialect. 我好像没有听到过你说石家庄的方言诶。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 14:51NOW Does Shijiazhuang have a dialect 石家庄有方言 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 14:52NOW at all? 吗？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 14:52NOW It does, it does. 有的有的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 14:53NOW It's so close to Beijing and it still has its own 它离北京那么近还有方 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 14:55NOW dialect? 言？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 14:55NOW Yes, it really does have one. It's just that when you speak it, 是的，其实是有方言的，只是他可能平时呃，讲起来的话， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 15:00NOW you'd think it's just Mandarin with the tones tweaked. But there are some words that 你会觉得它跟普通话只是音调编了一下，但是呢，又有一些词汇是， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 15:07NOW really only exist in Shijiazhuang. 确实只有石家庄才会有的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 15:09NOW For example… 比如说 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 15:10NOW Then teach me a couple 那你教我两 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 15:11NOW of phrases! Sure, for example: "Tao Tao, I like you" (Hebei dialect). (laughs) It means, "Tao, I like you." 句，对，比如说，桃桃，俺待见你，哈哈哈，就是说，桃我喜欢你的意思 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 15:19NOW I like you… Hao Hao, I like you. 俺待见你，浩浩，俺待见你 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 15:22NOW Yes! (laughs) 对，哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 15:23NOW Why do I feel like I'm not getting it quite right? OK, "like you", "like you", 我怎么感觉学的不是很像呢，对，待见你，待见你， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 15:29NOW Yeah, OK. 对，OK 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 15:30NOW Ah, this one's handy. 啊，这个这个好使 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 15:32NOW It is, it is. 是的是的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 15:33NOW I like this one. Any others? 我喜欢这个，还有还有别的吗 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 15:35NOW Or when you're feeling tired, you can say "so tiring" (dialect)… "so 或者说你要是觉得嗯，累的时候你可以说，累哩慌（音）累里 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 15:40NOW tiring." Right, 慌对， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 15:41NOW How did that turn into a Henan 我怎么这串成河南 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 15:43NOW accent? (laughs) Actually, actually, I've noticed Hebei and Henan dialects can be kind of similar sometimes. 口音了，哈哈，其实，其实河北话和河南话有的时候我会发现是有一定的这种相似点的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 15:52NOW I feel like what I remember most about every dialect is 我感觉我对每个地方方言印象最深的就是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 15:56NOW the swear words. (laughs) Does the Hebei 骂人的话，哈哈，河北 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 16:00NOW dialect have any particularly special swear words? 话里面有什么比较特别的骂人的话吗 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 16:03NOW Hmm… 呃嗯， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 16:06NOW Or do you never swear, so… 还是你从来不骂人，所以， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 16:08NOW There actually are some, 其实有的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 16:12NOW like… 比如， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 16:15NOW They're too filthy, I can't say them! 骂太脏了，我说不出来 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 16:19NOW No worries. Then, if any other friends from Hebei are listening, 没事，那这个，如果还有别的河北的朋友听到的话， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 16:24NOW feel free to fill us in. 可以补充一下。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 16:24NOW There's one — there really is one, 有一个，确实有一个， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 16:26NOW for example… 比如说，呃 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 16:28NOW "So embarrassing" (dialect), "so embarrassing". It means feeling ashamed — like you've made a fool of yourself in public. 被杏（音）里方被杏（音）里方被杏（音）的意思就是说丢人的感觉就是让人感到丢人现眼 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 16:37NOW That's "so embarrassing". 就是被杏（音）里方 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 16:40NOW Then that 那这个 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 16:42NOW sounds a little bit like 好像有一点点像 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 16:44NOW "gua wazi" (silly fool) in Chongqing or Sichuan dialect. 重庆或者四川话里面的那个「瓜娃子」 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 16:47NOW Ah, yes, yes, it's a bit 啊，是是是有点 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 16:49NOW like that — a bit of a jab, but not that dirty, 像，就是带着一点吐槽但是没有那么脏的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 16:54NOW as insults go. 骂人的话。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 16:56NOW Mm. 嗯， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 16:57NOW I'm always hearing you go on about donkey-meat burgers this, donkey-meat burgers that. 我老听你说驴肉火烧驴肉火烧。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 17:01NOW Does anywhere in Germany sell donkey-meat burgers? 嗯，德国这边有卖驴肉火烧的吗？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 17:04NOW I'd really love to try one. 我真的很想去尝一下。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 17:06NOW I don't think the locals here in Germany really eat donkey meat. 我觉得在德国这个地方应该本土人不怎么会吃驴肉这种肉类 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 17:14NOW It seems like 好像 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 17:15NOW I've never seen anyone eat 没有看到过吃 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 17:17NOW donkey. 驴。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 17:17NOW Right, nobody does. 对，没有。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 17:18NOW But really, a donkey-meat burger is just a flatbread on the outside, with some diced green pepper inside, 但是其实驴肉火烧呢，它就是外面一个，饼子，然后里面切一些青椒丁， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 17:26NOW some menzi (pan-fried starch jelly) and some donkey meat. Yeah, sliced donkey meat — the slices actually look a bit like the meat in a döner here in Germany, 然后一些焖子，然后一些驴肉，对，它驴肉片片，它那片其实长起来有点像德国的Döner的那个肉片一样， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 17:36NOW like that. Really? Yeah, so… delicious. 就是，是吗，对，很，美味。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 17:39NOW But in a döner, the meat they use is usually 但呃，呐里面它加的应该一般都是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 17:43NOW pork, I guess? 猪肉吧？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 17:44NOW Isn't it? 是不是？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 17:44NOW Yeah, they put in pork, chicken or lamb… no, lamb is pretty 对，呐里面它有加猪肉、鸡肉或者是羊肉……不，羊肉很 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 17:50NOW rare. 少。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 17:51NOW Mm. 嗯， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 17:52NOW Anyway, it's mainly pork, beef, duck, chicken, that sort of thing. 反正就是主要是猪肉、牛肉和鸭和这种鸡肉之类的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 17:56NOW But with döner, since you can pick your own veggies, do you make a point of choosing green peppers every time? 但呐呐里面，因为它蔬菜是你可以自己搭配嘛，所以你每次在吃 Döner 的话会特地去选青椒吗？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 18:06NOW I'd like to, I really would, but I feel like they only offer tomatoes, onions, 想选，我想选，但是我感觉它里面只会给你提供西红柿、洋葱， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 18:12NOW or that kind of salad. 或者是这种蔬菜沙拉。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 18:14NOW They don't seem to have diced green peppers. 它好像没有青椒丁诶 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 18:16NOW Ah, well, I hardly ever eat döner anyway. 啊，反正因为我很少吃Döner。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 18:21NOW Whenever I do, I have to tell the owner, I say, 我每次吃的时候，我得跟老板说，我说， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 18:25NOW Meat on. Onions… 肉放上去，洋葱。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 18:27NOW no. 不要。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 18:28NOW Lettuce, no. 呃生菜不要。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 18:30NOW Red cabbage, no. 紫甘蓝不要 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 18:32NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 18:33NOW So just pure meat, huh? 就纯吃肉是吧 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 18:35NOW And the owner says, 老板说 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 18:36NOW "Even if you skip all that, you still pay the same, you know." 呃就算这些都不要的话，你付的钱也是一样的哦。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 18:40NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 18:41NOW That's outrageous! 这也太过分了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 18:42NOW Back home in Shijiazhuang, if you're buying a donkey-meat burger and you say no menzi, 你像我们，嗯，诗家庄这边如果卖这个驴肉火烧的话，如果说你不要焖子， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 18:49NOW or skip one of the vegetables, they might knock a bit off the price. 或者说不要某种蔬菜，它可能会给你适当降价一些。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 18:54NOW Mm. 嗯 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 18:54NOW I hereby request that the Turkish shop owners here take business lessons from Shijiazhuang's donkey-meat burger sellers. 呃申请让这边的土耳其老板向石家庄的驴肉火烧老板学一下经商 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:01NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 19:02NOW So do you like döner? Because if you're always having a donkey-meat burger (lürou huoshao) at home… 那你会比较喜欢吃Döner吗，因为，呃如果说你在家经常吃驴肉火烧的话 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:10NOW I love döner. 我非常喜欢吃Döner 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 19:11NOW Ah, mm, because it's… ar，嗯，因为它 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:12NOW …such a nutritious, well-rounded and delicious food! 是一个营养很齐全，并且很美味的一种食物诶 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 19:17NOW Mm, well, by that logic my diet is wildly unbalanced and not nutritious at all. 嗯，那这样看来我的摄入就非常的不均衡，非常的不营养。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 19:22NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈哈 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:23NOW I like mine with beef… 我比较喜欢吃加牛肉 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 19:24NOW …in it. 的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 19:26NOW Mm, that way… 嗯，这样 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:27NOW …it sounds high in protein and a bit healthier. At least there's meat. 挺起来高蛋白，然后又营养一点哈，就是肉类至少是有了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:32NOW Then onions, 嗯，然后再洋葱啊， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 19:33NOW and the… 还有这个 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:34NOW …salad, I always put all of that in. 蔬菜沙拉啊，我都是放的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:36NOW And for the sauce, I usually go for the yogurt sauce, 嗯，然后它的那个酱汁的话我比较偏向于放这种yogurt sauce， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 19:41NOW Like the… 就是这种 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:41NOW …yogurt-type one. 酸奶之类的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 19:43NOW Mm, right. 嗯，对 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:44NOW And no chilli, thanks. 嗯，不要辣，谢谢。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:45NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 19:48NOW Is that because people in Shijiazhuang don't eat much spicy food, or because your family doesn't? 是因为石家庄人不太吃辣，还是因为你们家里不太吃辣 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:51NOW I think it's more that my family doesn't, because Shijiazhuang actually has plenty of spicy dishes, 我感觉我们家里是不怎么吃辣，因为我觉得石家庄它其实带辣的菜还是有很多的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:58NOW for example, um… 比如说呃 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 19:59NOW like the… 像这种 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 20:02NOW what's it called — Anhui beef banmian noodles. 叫什么，安徽牛肉板面 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 20:03NOW Mm, right. 嗯，对 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 20:03NOW Anhui beef banmian noodles actually have loads of chilli oil in them. 安徽牛肉板面，它里面其实有很多辣椒油在里面 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 20:07NOW Why are Shijiazhuang's banmian called Anhui banmian? Good… 石家庄的板面为什么要叫安徽板面，好问 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 20:10NOW …question! Lots of people wonder why Anhui beef banmian noodles are a Shijiazhuang speciality. 题，很多人都会在想为什么安徽牛肉板面，就是说是石家庄的特产 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 20:17NOW Is it because the… 是因为那个 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 20:19NOW …founder's name was Anhui? 创始人的名字叫安徽吗， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 20:22NOW Actually, you're not far off. A man from Anhui came up north to work here last century, 所以其实差不多，就是有一个安徽人他就是上个世纪的时候来北上这边打工， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 20:30NOW and brought a kind of noodle with him to Shijiazhuang, then settled down there, 把一种就是呃，面条带到了石家庄这边，然后他就在石家庄定居了嘛， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 20:37NOW and gradually it became known as Anhui beef banmian noodles. They're quite special, too: you keep taking the dough and… 慢慢的就叫做安徽牛肉板面，他其实这个板面也蛮有特色是反复的就是把面呃， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 20:43NOW …putting it on a board, 放在案板上。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 20:44NOW slapping it, and that makes it really chewy. 这个拍打，然后就口感会很劲道 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 20:48NOW Oh, no wonder they're called banmian — "board noodles". Noodles slapped out… 哦，怪不得它叫板面，就是在案板 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 20:52NOW …on a board. 上拍出来的面。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 20:54NOW So the way you tell it, him being from Anhui and making 那你这样说的话，就他作为一个安徽人，把 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 20:58NOW these noodles a hit in Shijiazhuang is a lot like the Turks 这个面条在石家庄发扬光大，就很像是土耳其人。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 21:04NOW in Germany making döner a big… 在德国吧Döner发扬光 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 21:07NOW …hit. 大。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 21:07NOW Right, exactly. That's how it feels. 对，没错，就是感觉是这样 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 21:10NOW Because friends back home always ask me what Germany's signature dishes are, and I usually end up lost in thought, 因为我老听到国内的朋友问我说德国有什么特色美食，我往往都会陷入沉思， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 21:17NOW because I keep looping between pork knuckle and sausages, not sure which sounds more respectable. 我，因为我在猪肘子和香肠之间呃，循环，我不知道说哪个显得更加体面一点。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 21:25NOW But my friends back home often ask me, isn't there that, what's it called, 但国内的朋友们他们经常会问我说是不是有那个什么， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 21:31NOW döner, döner — they say it the English way — Döner，Döner的，因为他们是用英文的那个发音去念， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 21:35NOW they ask if döner is 他们说是不是Döner的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 21:37NOW what you guys eat all the time in Germany. And I'm thinking, since when did döner become the flagship of German cuisine? 东西是你们在德国特别经常吃的，然后我，我想我说Döner是已经变成德国菜的代表作了吗？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 21:46NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 21:55NOW But it really does seem to be a topic no one studying in Germany can avoid. 但是他确实是每一个在德国留学的人好像绕不开的一个话题。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 22:02NOW It's basically everyone's first meal after landing. 每一个，每一个人基本上落地的第一顿。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 22:05NOW Like, OK, the shops you see most are döner shops, so you go, 诶，OK，就是看到最多的就是Döner店，说 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 22:08NOW "Right, let me give it a try." 那我来试一下吧 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:09NOW Yeah, I'd say it's about as big a craze as jianbing (Chinese crêpes) back home. 是的，我感觉他的这种风靡程度就类似于国内的这种煎饼果子差不多。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:15NOW And when I landed in Germany, my very first meal on day one was döner too. 然后我当时落地德国，其实第一天第一顿吃的也是Döner。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 22:20NOW Really? 真的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:21NOW Yeah. And the funny thing was, since it was my very first week in Germany, 对，而且当时就比较搞笑的一点，因为我刚就是来德国第一周 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 22:26NOW …you know. 嘛。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 22:26NOW Mm. 嗯， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:27NOW when you're somewhere unfamiliar, the first time you try to buy food, 然后其实是来到一个陌生的环境的话，有时候你去第一次尝试买东西吃， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:34NOW or shop at the supermarket, you keep wondering how you're going to communicate. 或者去超市里面买东西的时候，你都会在想说我应该怎么去沟通 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 22:39NOW Like, with the language… 就是在语言上面 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:40NOW …there's an adjustment period. 是有一个过渡期的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:42NOW And, hilariously, I hid behind my friends and classmates 嗯，然后当时我很搞笑，就是躲在我其他朋友和同学的背后， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:46NOW and said, "Can you guys order for me?" 我说你们可不可以帮我去点 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 22:48NOW (laughs) 呵呵呵 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:49NOW (laughs) 呵。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:50NOW (laughs) 呵呵呵 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 22:51NOW So when did you come to Germany? 哎，那你是什么时候来德国的？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:55NOW I came… 我是 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:56NOW …in 2019, 2019年的 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 22:58NOW in the spring. 春天来的德国 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 23:01NOW That's over seven years already! 已经七年多了耶， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 23:03NOW Yeah, roughly. 对差不多 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 23:03NOW So you and döner go back over seven years too. Exactly. 了，你和Döner的缘分也七年多了，没错 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 23:06NOW Actually, whenever exams get stressful and I don't have time to cook, I go and get a döner, 其实我跟，我就是经常有时候考试压力大，然后来不及做饭的时候都会去买Döner， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 23:14NOW because it's tasty and it really fills you up, and it also… 因为它确实又美味又可以满足自己的胃口嘛，然后又可以， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 23:18NOW I mean, when I'm feeling down or stressed, I want to hunt down something tasty to treat… 就是，因为我有时候心情不好，或者压力大的时候，就会想寻觅一些好吃的满足 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 23:25NOW …myself. Mm, right. 自己，嗯，对 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 23:25NOW So for me, döner is a food I can't live without here in Germany. 然后我觉得Döner是对于我来讲在德国这边生活离不开的一种美食 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 23:31NOW Hao Hao's always recommending new döner flavours she's discovered, 浩浩老是推荐我她最近发掘的不同的新的Döner口味， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 23:36NOW but sadly I'm a bit of a picky eater. At a döner shop I'm like, um, "none of this", 可惜呃呃本人稍微有点偏食，我去Döner店就是，呃呃不要这个， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 23:46NOW I'd honestly want nothing but meat. 我恨不得它就是纯要肉。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 23:49NOW And if I really must balance it out a bit, the most I'll allow is some cucumber slices. 为了实在不行，呃，偶平衡一下，我最多能够接受把黄瓜片放里面 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 23:55NOW Ah, right. 啊，是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 23:56NOW So my first week in Germany was pretty rough. 所以第一，我刚来德国第一周的时候就蛮痛苦的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 24:01NOW Because for me, döner shops were OK, but not a great option, 因为对于我来说，就是，呃Döner店其实是可以，但是它并不是一个很好的选择， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 24:08NOW since I want none of this, none of that. 因为我就这也不要那也不要嘛。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 24:10NOW And every time I told the owner "none of this, none of that", the owner 但是每一次我跟老板说，这也不要那也不要的时候，老板 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 24:15NOW would look at me completely shocked and baffled, and tell me, 会一脸非常震惊，非常诧异地看着我，然后就是跟我说，说， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 24:19NOW "Still the same price." I wanted to say that's fine, but 钱还是一样收的我，我本来是想说没关系，但是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 24:25NOW when it happens over and over and the owner asks you every single time, I started to feel a bit awkward. 这样如果重复好几次的话，那个老板每一次都这样问你，我那个时候觉得有点不好意思。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 24:31NOW So instead, until my pots and pans arrived, I just switched to eating toast. 所以，后来就改成，在我的锅具没有到的时候，呃直接改成吃吐司了， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 24:40NOW I bought a loaf and ate it for a week. 买了一板吐司，吃了一周， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 24:43NOW I think that was the week of my life with the highest 我觉得这是人生中吃吐司 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 24:48NOW toast frequency. After that week, once I'd started asking, um, classmates 频率最高的一周，呃过了那一周之后，等我开始和，呃可能和同学呀， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 24:55NOW and friends how to find normal food, and started buying ingredients 和朋友请教了说我怎么样去寻觅正常的食物，以及开始购买食材， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 25:02NOW and cooking a bit at home myself, 自己在家做一点吃的了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 25:04NOW after that, I didn't eat toast again for about six months. 之后呢，呃差不多有半年没有再吃过吐司了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 25:08NOW I bet that was your peak week of toast R&D. 我感觉那一周是你挖掘吐司研发度最高的一周 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 25:13NOW Pretty much, but I had nothing else to work with, so mostly it was just toast with milk. 嗯，差不多，但那个时候没有其他的素材了，所以大部分时候就是纯就着牛奶吃吐司。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 25:22NOW Oh my god, that's rough. It was your first week in Germany, after all, 哎呦，天哪，那还是蛮难受的，因为毕竟刚来德国第一周嘛， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 25:26NOW and if you eat that plainly, you can get homesick. 你吃的太简单的话，有时候可能会想家耶 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 25:30NOW Mm, my most "white people food" episode ever. 嗯，最白人吃法的一集。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 25:32NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 25:33NOW And I never saw it coming. I think I landed on a, um, 而且那个时候完全没有想到，我记得我落地的时候可能是一个呃 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 25:41NOW Friday or Saturday, and I was planning to rest up and get a lovely long sleep, 周五还是周六来着，我本来准备说嗯，好好休息一下，美美睡一觉， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 25:48NOW and then 嗯，然后 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 25:49NOW go on a big supermarket haul — and the supermarket was closed. 准备去超市大肆采购一番，然后超市关门了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 25:55NOW I thought something had happened, so I looked it up with 我以为发生了什么事情，这个时候在那个 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 25:59NOW AI and on Xiaohongshu, and only then found out there's actually a rule that shops close on Sundays. AI 还有小红书上搜索，才发现这里居然还有周日关门的这种规定 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 26:05NOW Exactly. When you first come to Germany, it really does hit you, in every part of life, with quite a big 没错，就是在德国你，就是在你出到德国的时候，的确是会……在生活方方面面给你带来比 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 26:14NOW culture… 较大的文化冲 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 26:15NOW …shock. 击。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 26:15NOW Mm. For… 嗯，比 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 26:16NOW …example, trains running late, 如说，像这种火车晚点 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 26:18NOW (laughs) 啦，哈哈 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 26:19NOW Right? And how hard it is to get a Termin (appointment). 对吧，然后你想预约一个Termin是多么困难啦 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 26:22NOW Mm. 嗯 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 26:24NOW Oh, the thing that shocked me most — apart from that Sunday closing, 哎，我记得最shock到我的一件事，就除了说那次周日关门， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 26:29NOW with nothing stocked up, so you just keep gnawing on toast — was when I first landed in Germany. I'd brought two big 然后你没有存东西，然后你就继续硬嚼吐司之外，呃我刚落地德国的时候是带了两个大的行李 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 26:39NOW suitcases and a pretty big backpack. 箱，还有一个比较大的行李背包。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 26:43NOW Both suitcases made it to Germany with me just fine, but the backpack, 当时两个行李箱是随着我比较顺利的一起到了德国，但是那个行李背包呢， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 26:50NOW they said, had been left behind at the transfer airport in France. 是他们说落在中间转运的法国的机场了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 26:55NOW So either I'd give them an address and they'd deliver it in a week or two, 所以要么就是我给他们一个邮寄的地址，让他们可能一周或者两周之后送过来， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 27:03NOW or, since they expected it to reach the airport in two days (misspoke), I could go to the airport myself 要么呢，就是他们预计两天（口误）之后我的包裹会顺利到机场，我可以选择自己去机场， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 27:11NOW and pick it up in person, right there at the airport. 在机场里面当面就把，在机场里面直接把东西拿过来。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 27:16NOW At first I wasn't sure whether 一开始我不太能够确定说 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 27:20NOW my things would make it to me OK — my pillow was in there, plus some things I needed urgently — 我的东西，能不能够顺利给我寄到里面还有我的枕头，还有一些比较急需的用品 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 27:28NOW and I couldn't wait another two weeks for delivery, so I said OK, I'll come and get it myself in two days. 呃不能够接受它再给我寄两个星期，所以我就说OK，那我就两天之后自己来拿吧。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 27:35NOW And I finally got my bag, and set off home all happy, thinking, OK, 嗯，结果，终于顺利地拿到了包裹，开开心心准备回家，说OK， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 27:42NOW tonight I finally have a pillow to sleep on, no more using my clothes— (laughs) 我今天终于有枕头，可以睡觉，终于不用再用衣服，呵呵呵呵 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 27:48NOW …as a pillow. 呃呃呃呃当做枕头 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 27:51NOW On my blissful way home, I noticed the train… 美美回家的路上发现那个火车。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 27:55NOW um, the tram split in two halfway along. 呃，那个Tram在中间断成了两截 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 27:58NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 27:59NOW But I couldn't understand the announcement, 但我，但我听不懂那个播报， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 28:03NOW you know? Yeah, yeah, it's so easy to end up in the wrong half of the tram, 你知道吗，对对，很容易就是你坐错了那个Tram那一截啊， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 28:08NOW and then it heads off in the opposite direction. 然后就会往反方向开去了 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 28:11NOW And I had no clue. I was like, why has it suddenly changed direction? 而且我没有任何头绪，我说为什么车突然就转向了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 28:16NOW I had no idea what they were saying. I thought, is this some special German transport thing, 完全没有听懂他在说什么，然后我说，我说是因为德国这边特殊的什么交通机制吗， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 28:24NOW or do the tracks here work in some special way? So I didn't worry about it, 然后他们这边轨道有什么特殊的说法吗，然后我就没管它 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 28:29NOW and it kept going further and further out. 发现它越开越偏，越开越偏。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 28:33NOW Heading into God knows what backwater. So I plucked up the courage to ask the passenger next to me, 不知道看到哪个山沟沟里去了，然后这个时候我鼓起勇气问了身边的乘客， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 28:40NOW and this kind lady explained to me in English that this was no longer the direction I'd been going — 然后那个好心的姐姐就在跟我用英文解释说这个方向其实已经不是你原来坐的那个方向了， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 28:49NOW it was the complete opposite direction. 已经是完全相反的方向了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 28:51NOW She said if… I showed her my home address, and she very kindly suggested, 她说如果……我就给她看了一下我家里的地址，她很好心地建议我说， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 28:57NOW she said the best thing you can do is… 她说你最好的方式呢就是…… 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 29:01NOW "Get out right now and wait for the next one." get out right now and wait for the next one 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 29:03NOW I said, OK, thank you so much. So normally, getting to the airport takes under an hour, forty or fifty minutes, 我说，OK，太感谢你了，所以，呃正常去机场可能，不到一个小时四五十分钟这样， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 29:11NOW but my first trip home from the airport took two hours. 然后第一次从机场回家用了两个小时， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 29:14NOW And that German passenger was really nice. 而且那个，德国乘客还是蛮友好的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 29:18NOW Practical, too — she didn't tell you to get off and take a taxi home. 她还很实际，没有告诉你说你下了车之后直接打的士回家。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 29:23NOW If you'd taken a taxi home, it would've cost a fortune. 如果你要打车再回家的话，可能费用就会很高了 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 29:27NOW If I'd taken a taxi home that day, I wouldn't even have been in the mood for toast. 那天应该打车回家的话可能吃吐司的心情也没有了， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 29:33NOW A week of toast probably wouldn't have made that money back. 你吃一周吐司估计那钱都买不回来 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 29:37NOW And then once you've settled in, you find that walking on the pavement, you don't realise it's separate from the bike lane, 然后等你回到家发现就是你走在呃，人行道上的时候，你不知道人行道和自行车道是有区别的， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 29:46NOW In China there's no difference — the bike lane is the footpath. 在国内是没区别，自行车道就是人行车道。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 29:49NOW Mm, right. 嗯，对嗯 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 29:51NOW So that first week, you keep getting, um, 然后第一周来的时候你就会一直被呃 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 29:55NOW bikes ringing their bells at you from behind. 自行车在后面按铃。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 29:57NOW Eventually some kinder cyclists would 嗯，后来后来他们会有比较好心的骑自行车的人跟你说说， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:02NOW stop and explain, seeing you're a foreign face. 停下来跟你解释一下，觉得你是，外国面孔。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:04NOW They'd say, OK, careful, this is a bike lane, not a footpath, 嗯，就说，OK，你要注意一下这个是自行车道，不是行人车道， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:10NOW it's not safe to walk here. 你走在这里不太安全。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:12NOW And after that, it never happened again. 嗯，然后之后就没有再出现过这种事情了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:15NOW (laughs) When I… 哈哈，我当时 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:17NOW …came over, because of visa issues, by the time I landed that first week, 来的时候因为，嗯，签证的问题嘛，第一周落地的时候， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:22NOW the semester had already officially started. 学校就已经正式开学了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:24NOW I completely missed all the orientation stuff, the freshers' goodie bags, the first "organisation" intro session, 完全错过了所有的什么迎新环节啊，新生大礼包啊，呃介绍第一节organization的环节啊， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:34NOW it was straight into proper classes. 已经都是很正式的开始上课的环节。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:36NOW You basically scramble to get used to 你差不多连滚带爬，开始适应 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:40NOW the rhythm of the new semester. What stunned me most was the library: 新的学期的节奏吧，我记得我最震撼的就是，在图书馆里面， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:47NOW maybe it wasn't busy in the first few weeks, but there were more pigeons flying around than people studying, 嗯，前几周开学的时候可能人就没有那么多吧，嗯，但是图书馆里面到处飞的鸽子比在那里自习的人还好多， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 30:56NOW and the librarians kept gently shooing the pigeons away, 然后，管理员就是一直在那里不停地用比较友善的方式驱赶那个鸽子， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 31:03NOW worried they'd land on the bookshelves. 怕鸽子停在那个书架上 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 31:06NOW Mm, Germans call pigeons "rats with wings", because honestly, 嗯，他们德国人都称这边鸽子为飞行中的耗子，因为确实是， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 31:12NOW too many pigeons can be a real plague. 有时候鸽子太多了也是一种灾难。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 31:15NOW I reckon what they were more worried about was the pigeons soiling the library books. 我觉得哈，他更多可能怕的是这个鸽子污染了图书馆的书吧 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 31:21NOW (laughs) Could be! 哈哈哈，有可能哦 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 31:24NOW So your first week sounds like it went a bit more smoothly than mine. 那你第一周来的时候就是，听起来好像比我要顺利一点 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 31:28NOW Right, because when I was on my German foundation course in Beijing, our teacher had actually studied abroad, 对，因为当时我在北京那边预科学习德语的时候，我们老师他其实是有过留学的经历的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 31:37NOW and would sometimes tell us what we might face in daily life, some of the… 嗯，然后他有时候会跟我们讲到日常生活中你可能会，面对到了一些 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 31:43NOW …problems. Mm. 问题，嗯 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 31:43NOW But actually, the practical stuff our teacher covered was only 但是其实，感觉老师他讲到的一些生活上的知识点，其实只是， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 31:50NOW the tip of the iceberg. When you actually land somewhere unfamiliar, 其中的一角，当你真正的落地在一个陌生的土地上的时候， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 31:56NOW you run into all sorts of everyday problems, and you just have to adapt, and slowly it gets better. 你会遇到各种各样的生活难题，然后你就需要去适应它，慢慢的就好了， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 32:03NOW You might panic a bit at first, but later on, once you've gradually adapted, 一开始可能会比较慌张，但到后面的时候，嗯，你会慢慢的适应它了之后， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 32:10NOW and new friends or other people come to you for help, 然后你再有新的朋友或者是，其他朋友在找你来寻求帮助的时候， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 32:16NOW you think, wow, since when did I know the customs and habits here so well? 对，然后你就会觉得，哇，什么时候我已经对这边的这个习俗或者习惯这么了解了， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 32:23NOW And you become the go-to expert in your circle. Whenever there's news, 而且成为朋友圈里的百事通，每次有什么新的消息的时候， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 32:27NOW you post a notice on WeChat Moments first, 现在朋友圈发通知。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 32:29NOW telling us, "OK, shops are closing…" 通知我们说OK 马上要关门 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 32:31NOW "…soon." 了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 32:31NOW "OK, holidays are almost here." OK 马上要放下了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 32:32NOW "Right, it's nearly a public holiday," 对马上要公共假期了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 32:33NOW "remember to stock up on…" 让大家记得屯食 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 32:35NOW "…food." 物。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 32:36NOW I always read her Moments like a noticeboard. 我每次都把他的朋友圈当成notice的那个board来看。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 32:40NOW Right. 对。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 32:40NOW Like, "OK, Hao Hao's posted, off to the supermarket to stock up." 然后说OK看到浩浩的朋友圈马上去超市采购一下。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 32:43NOW Right. 对。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 32:50NOW Sounds like you studied German for a long time in China before coming over? 听起来，你是在国内学了很长时间的德语才过来的吗？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 32:56NOW Mm, not really. After finishing high school at 18, I studied German for six months at Beijing International Studies University. 嗯，其实也没有，因为当时18岁高考毕业之后，我在北京第二外国语学院那边学了半年的德语。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 33:06NOW From zero to B1 level. 嗯，就是从零基础学到了B1水平。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 33:09NOW Mm. 嗯。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 33:09NOW That's quick! Right, it was a full-time course, so the pace was pretty… 很快耶，对，因为它当时课程是全日制学习，所以节奏比较 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 33:15NOW …fast. 快。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 33:16NOW Mm. 嗯， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 33:18NOW Sounds like reliving six months of your last year of high… 听起来好像是有一种再过了半年高三的感 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 33:22NOW …school. 觉。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 33:22NOW Exactly, 没错， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 33:23NOW it was pretty stressful. 是压力还是蛮大的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 33:25NOW I know lots of people who come here already took German as their second foreign language in high school, 其实我知道很多来这边的朋友是在高中的时候就已经选了德语作为自己的第二外语， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 33:34NOW so it's less of a struggle once they get here. But you, of all things, chose law, 所以来这边之后相对就没有那么吃力嘛，但你偏偏学的是法学， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 33:41NOW and I think of all subjects, apart from medicine, it's the one where the language is 我觉得是在所有的专业里面，应该仅次于医学之外，语言难度。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 33:48NOW the hardest. 就已经是最高的一门。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 33:51NOW Lots of German friends I know find studying law a real slog. 很多认识的一些德国的朋友，他们念法学都会觉得很费劲。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 33:56NOW Given you… 如果你 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 33:57NOW …learned German in such a short time, what made you think, hey, I'll study German law in German, 这么短的时间学的德语，怎么会想到，哎，我要用德语去念德国的法律专业， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 34:06NOW and take on a subject lots of Germans don't even dare to try? 去挑战很多德国人都不敢尝试的专业呢？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:09NOW Mm, well, mainly, at the start… 嗯，其实，主要一开始我们 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:13NOW …after I graduated, I'd always been interested in the humanities. 先，毕业之后呢，我是一直对文科方向是感兴趣的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:18NOW Actually, if I'd gone to university in China back then, I'd probably still have been interested in law, 嗯，其实如果当时就是继续在国内上大学的话，可能我感兴趣的还会是法律方向， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:27NOW or a career in education. 嗯，或者是教育职业。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:29NOW Right, and at first I didn't think as far ahead as, like, using… 嗯，对，然后当时其实一开始没有想得那么远，觉得就是用法， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:33NOW …German to study law. 用德语去学法律。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:36NOW I just came to Germany first, then carried on studying. 嗯，然后只是先来了德国之后呢，然后再学习。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:40NOW And while I was taking my German further, 继续深造德语的过程中。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:43NOW even the teachers here, and my classmates, would say 嗯，然后，连德国这边的老师，嗯，然后同学都会讲到说， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:48NOW that even for Germans themselves, law is a pretty tough… 对于他们德国人自己来讲，学法律都是一件比较困难的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 34:52NOW …subject. 事情。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 34:53NOW Of course. 当然 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:53NOW Right. So at first I wasn't planning to — well, rationally speaking, 啦，对，所以一开始我没有想着说，就是，从理智角度来讲的话， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 34:59NOW the better choice back then would actually have been economics. 我当时其实比较好的选择应该是经济专业 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 35:02NOW Ah, so you might actually have ended up studying something a bit like… 啊，所以你其实一开始有一点点可能性选择跟我有点类似的专 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 35:08NOW …mine. 业。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 35:08NOW Exactly. Back then my teachers here also told me to be sensible, since law is really hard to study, 没错，因为当时，嗯，德国这边老师也劝我理智一点，法学很难读， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 35:15NOW so I figured that when I applied, I'd go for economics first and then law, 然后我就想着说报大学的时候先选择经济，然后再选择法律， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 35:21NOW but I didn't know that in German university applications, first and second choices can sometimes count equally, 但是我不知道德国这边大学报名机制它有时候第一志愿和第二志愿其实是一种平行志愿， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 35:28NOW which shows you're interested in both subjects, and the final say goes to the te— 嗯，然后就证明你对这两个专业都感兴趣，然后最后的选择权就到了老， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 35:33NOW …to the university. And the university might think its law programme is a better fit for you, 到了学校这边，然后学校觉得可能我们这边法律专业，然后更跟你匹配一些， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 35:39NOW or it wants to keep a certain share of international students, so it'll give you priority. 或者是嗯，要保证一定的国际学生率等等，它就会优先录取你。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 35:44NOW Right, so when I filled in my choices, I thought, first choice, definitely economics, 对，所以最后我当时填志愿的时候，我就想着我说第一志愿我肯定是选经济， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 35:50NOW and for the second, I figured, mm, they probably won't consider it. I thought, 第二志愿我当时想着说，嗯，应该不会被考虑中吧，我当时想着说， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 35:56NOW if I put down law and they actually take me, then after all the twists and turns, maybe it's just meant to be. (laughs) 如果说真的填了法律他就录取我的话，也许兜兜转转这就是我的一种缘分，哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 36:04NOW And by a twist of fate you became everyone's safety net. Everyone in Germany ends up thinking about dealing with legal 结果阴差阳错就成为了大家心里的兜底选手，每个人在德国应该都会有考虑过要处理法律方面 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 36:15NOW issues at some point. 的问题。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 36:15NOW Right. For the friends around me, and for me too, 对，其实它是对身边的朋友们来讲的话，就是包括对我自己， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 36:22NOW I think law is hugely useful in everyday life, 我觉得法律对我来讲，在实际生活中是应用很大， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 36:26NOW really helpful… 很有帮助 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 36:27NOW …as a field. So I'm actually really glad I chose law. 的一个领域，所以我其实还蛮开心自己选择了法律的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 36:32NOW Honestly, back in China I'd read up a little on the bar exam there. 说实话，我之前在国内的时候稍微了解过一点国内的法考。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 36:39NOW Actually, China's bar exam is relatively 嗯，其实国内的法考呢，它相对 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 36:43NOW less strict about your academic background. 没有那么严格的专业性的背景要求。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 36:47NOW Under the old rules, before 2018, to sit the national bar exam, 嗯，对于在2018年之前的旧规定里面呢，你参加法律国考， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 36:54NOW you didn't even need a law degree. So the first time I heard you describe the German bar exam system, 你甚至不需要自己是法律本科专业的，这个点就让我第一次在听到你说德国的法考的制度的时 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 37:05NOW I was stunned. The German bar exam is way harder than I'd ever imagined. 候，让我震惊到了，我觉得德国这边的法考的难度是远远超过了我的想象的 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 37:13NOW Yeah, because in Germany, law is more about practical application, 嗯，是，因为在德国这边他法律其实更偏向于实际运用一些， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 37:19NOW whereas I've heard from some senior lawyers back home that the bar exam there leans towards memorising statutes, 就是之前我听国内这边的一些法律前辈讲，他们这边法考的话偏向于说背诵法条， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 37:28NOW plus multiple-choice and some essay questions and so on. 然后做一些选择题以及一些主观题等等 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 37:32NOW At least, when I… 起码在 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 37:34NOW …read lots of Chinese, um, 看国内的呃 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 37:36NOW expert posts on the bar exam, that's what they said. Though I haven't — 法考的很多专业帖子的时候，呃呃他们是这么说的，虽然我自己还没有， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 37:43NOW I've never taken the bar exam myself, but I've met some lawyers in China, 我自己是没有经历过法考，嗯，但呃之前接触过国内的一些律师嘛， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 37:49NOW and most of them told me the bar exam was hard, but never that it was as painful as in Germany, 大部分人就是跟我说法考是难的，但是从来没有说像德国这么痛苦， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 37:55NOW or this torturous. 这么折磨 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 37:57NOW Right, because law here in Germany isn't quite what we'd first imagined, either. 对，因为德国这边法律呢，跟我们一开始想的也不太一样。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 38:02NOW I didn't expect that instead of memorising the statutes, you'd memorise what's inside them — 我没有想到他不要求你说去背诵法条，而是让你去背诵法条里面。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 38:07NOW the definitions of the wording, plus current debates among legal scholars over how certain words are interpreted, and so on. 这些文字它的定义解释，以及现在就是法学界对某一些文字解释的争议等等， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 38:17NOW So I think it's more about practical application. What the professors want is for you to grasp, 所以我觉得它更偏向于实际应用，就是教授他更希望你能掌握， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 38:22NOW like, 就是说， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 38:23NOW why you analyse a case the way you do, how you reached your conclusion, 为什么你这么去分析这个案例，然后你怎么得到这个结果的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 38:28NOW and whether you really understand what the law is saying, rather than just learning it by rote. 你是否真的了解到这个法律是他在讲什么的，而不是说让你死记硬背 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 38:33NOW German law really lives up to being the cradle of the civil law system. 德国的法律不愧是大陆法系的缘起呢， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 38:39NOW After we first met, we were chatting online once and I asked you how the German bar exam works, 咱们第一次认识之后嘛，我们有一次在线上聊天的时候，我有问过你说德国的法考是怎么样的一个机制 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 38:49NOW and I think you'd just finished an exam. 嘛，然后你当时可能刚刚写完试卷。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 38:53NOW So you casually snapped me a photo of what you'd written. 你就顺手给我拍了一下自己写的试卷。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 38:56NOW I had no idea one exam could mean writing for three or four hours, 嗯，我没有想到说，一场考试可能你要写三个小时，还是四个小时， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 39:02NOW maybe a dozen-plus pages, in German. 用德语写可能十几张卷子。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 39:06NOW Before I… knew about the bar exam, that was completely unimaginable. 在我……不了解法考之前是一个完全无法想象的事情。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 39:10NOW True. When I first started studying, I thought it'd be fairly simple, 确实，我刚第一学习的时候一上来，我以为它会是比较简单的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 39:16NOW like, they ask for a definition and you just say what it is, 比如说它问你一个定义，你直接答它是什么 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 39:18NOW and that's it. 就好了， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 39:19NOW But to my surprise, right off the bat they give you a full case, and like writing a court judgment, 后来我没有想到它一上来给你一个非常完整的案例，然后你要像写法院的判决书一样， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 39:26NOW you have to analyse it yourself from start to finish. 从头到尾自己去分析。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 39:29NOW From day one they're already treating you as 他第一天就已经把你们当成了 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 39:32NOW junior lawyers, getting you to analyse the whole 比较初级的律师，然后让你们去在实践中去分析整个 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 39:37NOW thing in practice. 事情了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 39:37NOW Exactly. I actually really admire that way of teaching, because law and medicine are both… so closely tied to people's lives. They're that kind of… 没错，其实我是蛮崇尚他们这种教育方式的，因为法律和医学业都是对……这种人命息息相关的一 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 39:48NOW …profession. 种事业 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 39:49NOW So I think 所以我觉得 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 39:51NOW I'm still in favour of this system that's hard to get in and hard to get out. At least, for all of us, 它这种严进严出的制度我还是偏向于支持的，至少是对于大家来讲， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 39:59NOW being a lawyer is a profession, but also a responsibility. 律师是一种职业也是一种责任吧 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 40:01NOW Ever since I saw the mock exam papers Hao Hao prepares every week, and the sheer length of their law codes, 自从看过了浩浩每一周去准备模拟考的那个试卷，还有她们那个法典的长度， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 40:10NOW and the German bar exam's 还有整个德国法考的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 40:13NOW strict requirements… 严格的要求。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 40:15NOW Of course, if you're curious about how the German bar exam works, we can find a chance to dig into it another time. 当然德国法考这个机制如果大家感兴趣的话，以后我们还可以再找机会深入的去聊一下。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 40:23NOW Mm, I told Hao Hao back then that from now on, I'd completely trust every lawyer I meet in Germany. 嗯，我那个时候就跟浩浩说过，说我以后，将会非常信任我在德国见到的每一个律师。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 40:33NOW Because it feels like they haven't just been through the wringer, they've been totally remade before they get their licence to practise 因为感觉大家都是不只脱了一层皮，感觉是脱胎换骨了之后才拿到那个律师的职业资格证， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 40:42NOW and finally end up in front of me. 才走到我面前。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 40:44NOW As a client, 呃呃作为一个客户。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 40:46NOW I find that really reassuring. 我这样非常安心 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 40:49NOW Yes, because in law school here, even the regular exams are really strict, 是的，因为我们法学制度它其实平时的考试制度就是很严格的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 40:54NOW and you only get two tries. If you fail, you're simply out of the programme. 然后你只有两次机会嘛，如果不通过的话就直接被辍学了， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 40:59NOW At the start, say, one 然后它可能一开始说，一个 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 41:03NOW exam takes about two hours, and you have to write ten pages. 考试都花两个小时左右，然后你要写十页。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 41:07NOW Later, at the advanced stage, maybe it's three hours and ten-plus pages. And in the final stage, revising for the state exam, 然后到后期高级阶段了，也许是三个小时，写十几一样，到最后国考复习阶段的话， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 41:13NOW it's just like the real state exam: five hours per paper, and then 就跟国考正式的考试一样，每场考试五个小时，然后 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 41:17NOW you have to write twenty 你要写二十 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 41:17NOW pages or more. 多一样。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 41:18NOW Right, it builds up step by step. The difficulty just keeps going up. 对，就层层递进，它的难度是一直在提升的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 41:21NOW It's not just a test of knowledge any more. I think your writing speed, 已经不是单纯对知识点的考验了，我觉得对手速， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 41:26NOW Your writing speed, your mental stamina… 对手速对你的精神 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 41:29NOW …they all get tested too. 也是一种考验。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 41:31NOW And lately you've been doing mock exams nonstop, right? 但最近其实也是一直在写模拟题之类的，是不是？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 41:35NOW Yeah, yeah. 对，对 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 41:36NOW Did you do one today as well? 你今天还写了吗？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 41:37NOW Yeah, I did one today 对，今天也还写 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 41:39NOW too. 了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 41:39NOW Aw, you've worked so hard. At a time like this, how could anyone not want to call you Lawyer Ma? 啊，辛苦啦，这个时候怎么能不想让人叫你马律呢？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 41:46NOW I've got to give you the proper title, 得尊称一下了 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 41:48NOW to show my 表达我的敬 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 41:49NOW respect. 意。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 41:49NOW Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm working hard on my way to becoming Lawyer Ma. 谢谢，谢谢，谢谢，我有在努力成为马律的路上。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 41:53NOW Mm, right. So have you come across any fun cases lately, or ones that really stuck with you, that you'd like to 嗯，对，那有没有最近一些，好玩的，或者让你印象比较深刻的案例分享 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:00NOW share? 一下。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:00NOW Loads. I actually really enjoy writing up cases. Even though the exam is five hours long, 有很多，其实我写案例的过程是很享受的，就虽然它时间就是说考五个小时， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:07NOW the timing on every single point is really tight. 但是其实每一点都，这个时间点卡的是很紧。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:10NOW Mm, and lately I've read some really funny cases. They're pretty true to life, too, 嗯，然后我最近就是有读到一些很搞笑的案例，呃也很实际化吧， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:16NOW things anyone might run into in everyday life. 就大家生活中可能都会遇到， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 42:18NOW Like, say you 比如说你 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:18NOW buy some stuff online, 从网上网购了一些东西。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:21NOW and when it arrives, you find it's defective. 然后结果买回来之后发现这些东西是有瑕疵的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:24NOW Mm, and the question asks what compensation you can claim from the seller, and so on. 嗯，然后人家就问说你可以找这个商家去索要哪一些赔赔偿等等 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 42:29NOW That's really common. 这个很常见啊 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:32NOW Yeah, super common. And then in criminal law, for example, a doctor 对很常见的，然后还有比如说刑法上面吧，然后一个医生， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:37NOW accidentally pulls out the wrong tooth. 不小心拔错了病人的牙齿。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:40NOW Ah. 啊 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 42:41NOW (laughs) Talk about bad luck for that 哈哈，好倒霉啊，病 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:43NOW patient! Right, but actually, well, the patient and the doctor are both pretty unlucky, 人，对，但这个其实是，当然这个，病人和医生都蛮倒霉的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:49NOW getting dragged into a lawsuit out of nowhere. 就是无缘无故惹上了一场官司。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:52NOW Mm, and it's actually quite stressful. The patient can 嗯，但是其实是比较有压力，就是病人的话，他是可以 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 42:56NOW go after the doctor for compensation, whether for emotional distress or for medical 找这个医生去索要一些赔偿的，不管是精神赔偿，还是说这个医药 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 43:01NOW expenses. 赔偿。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 43:01NOW Mm. 嗯， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 43:02NOW Right. And under criminal law, it's stressful for the doctor too. This isn't intentional harm, 对，然后从刑法上面来讲的话，其实医生也比较有压力，因为你这个不是说是故意伤害， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 43:09NOW it's only negligent harm. 这个只是是过失伤害。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 43:11NOW Mm, right. And normally, before operating on a patient, a doctor gets the patient's consent, 嗯，对，然后，而且一般情况下，医生在给病人做手术之前都会经过这个病人的同意， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 43:19NOW you know, there's an informed consent 就是有一个这个知情权同意 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 43:21NOW form. 书。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 43:22NOW Mm. 嗯， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 43:22NOW Right. So in a case like this, the doctor would probably just bear some liability for the negligence. 对，然后所以在这种情况下呢，就是医生他只能说可能为了他的过失去承担一些责任。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 43:29NOW Mm, but they wouldn't get a heavy sentence as if it were intentional harm. 嗯，但是不会因为故意伤害，所以然后判一个这么大的刑 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 43:33NOW (laughs) Right. 哈哈哈，对 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 43:35NOW Mm, still, let's hope none of you ever run into anything like this. 嗯，呃还是希望大家不要遇到这种事情了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 43:38NOW Yeah. 对。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 43:38NOW And if you do, you'll just have to come find our Hao Hao. 遇到这种事情就只能来找我们浩浩了 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 43:41NOW (laughs) Right, let's hope you don't. 哈哈哈，对，希望大家不要遇到。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 43:44NOW But if you do, don't panic. 但遇到了也不要慌 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 43:46NOW Whenever I run into anything to do with contracts, or all sorts of 呃呃这个是浩浩在我遇到任何就是和合同相关的，和呃呃各种 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 43:55NOW insurance stuff, or something unexpected, like property damage, 保险，或者是一些，意外的事情，比如说你可能有财产损失啊， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 44:02NOW whether your own property gets damaged or you damage someone else's, what Hao Hao tells me most is, 或者你自己的财产损失，或者你造成了别人的财产损失，最经常跟我说的一句话就是， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 44:09NOW "Don't panic yet. Let me see what the law actually says." 先不要慌让我来看看法条怎么个事 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 44:12NOW Right, because when we run into a legal problem, our first reaction is usually panic, like, "Oh 对，因为有时候我们平时遇到法律问题的话，第一反应是比较慌嘛，说哎 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 44:18NOW no, do I 呀，我是 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 44:18NOW have to pay right away? How long have I got? Is there some kind of 不是马上要赔钱，当然，我要多久，然后就是有一个什么， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 44:22NOW deadline 一样一个期限， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 44:22NOW for paying up? 然后去赔 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 44:23NOW Will I get sued? Will someone file a complaint? And if I'm taken to court, what do I do?" 钱，会不会被告，然后，被投诉，然后被告上法庭的话，我应该怎么应对呢？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 44:28NOW It feels like the biggest 就感觉好像是天 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 44:29NOW deal in the world. 大的事情一样 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 44:30NOW Mm, but actually, the legal system here in Germany, um, you know, 嗯，其实在德国这边法律，它其实制度和，嗯，就是，呃就是， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 44:36NOW court proceedings, for example, it's a pretty well-developed system. So you don't need to worry that if you run into a legal problem, 比如说庭审方面，它其实是比较完整的一个制度，所以大家不用担心说我就是遇到了法律问题， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 44:44NOW you'll just have to take the hit or whatever. 我是不是只能认，认栽或者怎么样 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 44:47NOW Like you're facing a massive payout. 感觉就面临着要赔一大笔钱 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 44:50NOW Right. No, no. I'd really urge everyone: if you run into a legal problem here in Germany, fight to protect your rights as much 对不会不会我还是倡议大家如果说在德国这边遇到法律问题还是要努力的去争取尽 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 44:59NOW as you possibly can, instead of just taking the hit. 量去保护自己的权益而不是说直接就认栽 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:02NOW Mm-hmm. 了嗯嗯 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:10NOW But because you're always telling people, "Here's what the law says," 但是有没有因为你太经常和大家讲，嗯，这个法律是怎么规定啊， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:17NOW "here's what this provision says," do people ever worry, like, "Uh-oh, 这个法条是怎么规定的呀，大家有时候会有点担心说，哎， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:21NOW is Hao Hao going to police every part of my life with strict legal rules?" 是不是浩浩会很经常的用很严格的法条来，规范我的生活的方方面面。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:29NOW No, 不会 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 45:29NOW no. I'm actually really laid-back in everyday life. Like, say 不会，我生活中其实是很松弛的一个人，就是，嗯，比如说， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 45:35NOW everyone says they want Yuemanlou today, 大家今天说，想吃悦满楼 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:38NOW Yuemanlou! (laughs) 满楼啦，哈哈哈 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 45:39NOW then I'll just tag along and eat with them. And if 然后我也就会跟着去，一起吃嘛，然后 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:42NOW everyone suddenly 大家临时 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 45:42NOW changes their mind and says, "I want dapanji (big-plate chicken)," or something else, like Gushu hotpot, 改主意了，说，我想去吃大盘鸡，然后想吃其他的，古蜀火锅啊， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 45:47NOW I'll go along with all of it. I just don't have such rigid demands for my life, 我都会跟着去，就我没有对自己生活就是有那么严谨的要 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:51NOW like, it has to 求，就说必 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 45:52NOW be plan A, it absolutely has to be plan 须是plan A，就必须是plan 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:54NOW A. A。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:54NOW Mm, yeah. Basically, 嗯，对，就是 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 45:55NOW I'm a pretty relaxed person when it comes to life. 我还是生活上是一个比较松弛的人 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:58NOW So that's 这个就 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 45:59NOW a bit different from 跟大家 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 46:01NOW the slightly stuffy law student people imagine. (laughs) Not so by-the-book, 印象中稍微有点刻板的，哈哈哈，法学生不太一样啊，没有那么一板一眼， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 46:07NOW Right? Not that by-the-book. Otherwise we'd be 对吧，不会那么一板一眼，要不然说我们。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 46:09NOW exhausted! (laughs) 多累啊，哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 46:11NOW (laughs) 哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 46:11NOW That's exactly the kind of personality that makes you everyone's ray of sunshine and comfort blanket. 就是因为这样的性格才能够成为大家的开心果和小棉袄 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 46:17NOW Exactly. I feel like in everyday life I really love 没错，我感觉我日常生活中就是一个比较热爱 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 46:20NOW life, and I like being 生活，然后做 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 46:21NOW everyone's ray of sunshine and comfort blanket. 大家的开心果和小棉袄。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 46:23NOW I don't want people to think that just because I study law, I'm really stuffy 我就不想大家因为我是学法律的，然后就觉得我是一个很古板， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 46:28NOW and really unreason… um, well, 然后很不讲……这个，讲道 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 46:31NOW reasonable. Right, I mean, way too 理，对，就是过 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 46:33NOW reasonable, a stickler for logic, 于讲道理的人， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 46:35NOW so people feel boxed in and under pressure. So I hope everyone can break that 会让大家感觉到被束缚住，会有压力，所以我就是，希望大家打破这个刻板印 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 46:43NOW stereotype. (laughs) 象，哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 46:45NOW So really, you switch back and forth between a professional side and a very down-to-earth side. 就，其实是在比较专业的那一面和很生活化的这一面来回切换。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 46:51NOW Mm. As a friend, what I mostly see is Hao Hao 嗯，作为朋友的话，其实更多是看到浩浩 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 46:55NOW being considerate and treating people gently. But just now, talking about the law, she had this really professional 体谅他人啊，然后温柔的对待别人的状态啊，但是刚刚的在讲法律的时候又是一个非常专业 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 47:05NOW air about her. 的姿态。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 47:06NOW I can already see a future 我已经看到了未来的一颗。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 47:08NOW star of the legal world. 法律界的星星，我 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 47:10NOW I'm so happy. Honestly, lots of my friends are looking forward to the day I become Lawyer Ma. 感到很开心，就是我真的我身边有很多朋友都在期待我成为马律的那一天 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 47:16NOW Mm, and I'm top of that list! 嗯，头号种子就是我啦，嗯， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 47:21NOW So, if we leave aside 那如果不谈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 47:23NOW the very professional, academic stuff, or your studies, and just talk about life, 非常专业的学术的话题或者是学业上的话题，只谈生活上的话， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 47:31NOW what do you like doing day to day? On days when you're just resting, no statutes, 你在平时生活中会更喜欢做什么，如果是，单纯休息，没有法条， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 47:38NOW no pile of cases to write? 没有那么多案例要写的日子里面， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 47:40NOW Even though at this stage it's hard to find a time when I'm not writing cases or busy, 虽然现在我这个阶段很难有不写案例，不忙碌 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 47:46NOW I'd still say that when 的时候，但是我还是偏向于说在休息 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 47:50NOW I'm taking a break, 的时候呢 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 47:51NOW I like to, you know, soak up some sun, 我还是偏向于在休息的时候，就是说，可以享受一下太阳， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 47:56NOW go out for a walk, go shopping with my girlfriends, play some badminton, 然后出去走走，比如说跟闺蜜逛逛街啦，然后打打羽毛球啦， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 48:01NOW have dinner with everyone, 跟大家一起聚餐 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:02NOW that kind of thing. And then 啦，然后 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 48:03NOW the rest of the time, I want to rest at home. And I'm hoping to take a trip sometime soon, 剩下的时间我也希望自己在家里面休息一下，而且我也希望就是说过一段时间也可以去旅游一次， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:11NOW see some scenery and so on, and unwind a bit. 看看风景等等，放松一下心情。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:14NOW And that'll be the very first trip Hao Hao and I take together! 而且这个也即将是我和浩浩同学的第一次一起出行啊， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:21NOW Can't wait. 非常期待 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:24NOW And 那 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:24NOW besides all that, 除了这些 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:27NOW whenever I'm craving something or want to go out and wander around, 事情的话，特别想吃一点什么东西，或者想出门逛的时候， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:30NOW Hao Hao's always the first person I ask. I'll go, "Hey, I'm suddenly craving something today," 我肯定第一时间就会去约浩浩，然后说诶今天突然很想吃点什么， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:37NOW or "I really want Vietnamese pho today. Shall we just go?" 或者今天很想吃那个越南米粉，我们要不要临时去吃一下呢， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:41NOW and Hao Hao usually says, "Sure, sure, sure!" 然后浩浩一般都会说好呀好呀好 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 48:43NOW I actually really enjoy this kind of whirlwind 呀，我其实蛮享受这种跟朋友比较呃这种，风风火火的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:49NOW way of being with friends, 这种相处 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 48:50NOW where one person suggests something and the other just jumps on it right away. 的，就是一个人提出一个建议，然后另外一个人就风风火火的马上执行， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 48:55NOW It makes me really happy. 我很开心 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 48:57NOW Keep talking like this and we'll turn into the Whirlwind Duo. 你再这样说下去，我们俩就快变成风风火火组合了 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 49:00NOW Exactly, we pretty much are. 没错，就差不多嘛 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 49:02NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈哈。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 49:04NOW Because as far as I can remember, whenever our schedules line up, 因为我记忆里面是只要我们两个时间能够对得上啊的时候， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 49:10NOW pretty much every plan we make actually happens. 基本上我们两个互相之间的约定都是可以成型的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 49:14NOW In my experience, Hao Hao is always 在我的印象里浩浩都是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 49:16NOW incredibly accommodating, always going along with all my 非常之包容，非常迁就我的各种。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 49:20NOW last-minute or downright weird ideas. And I've hardly ever 比较临时啊，或者一些很稀奇古怪的想法的，但是没有怎么 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 49:27NOW seen Hao Hao 看到浩浩 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 49:28NOW lose her temper or be in a bad mood. But actually, 发脾气啊，或者是不太开心的情况，但是其实 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 49:34NOW deep down you must have some pet peeves you don't want people to trigger, right? 你内心一定是有一些雷点是，呃不希望别人去触犯的，对不对 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 49:40NOW Yes, yes. I do have some pet peeves. I don't usually lose my temper, and that really is because my tolerance 是的，是的，其实我也有一些雷点，平时我不发脾气，就是也确实因为我的包容度 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 49:48NOW is pretty high, 要高一些， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 49:50NOW but there are a few, like being stood up at the last minute, or when someone I'm spending time with 但是有一些雷点，比如说这种临时放鸽子啦，或者是跟我相处的过程中， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 49:57NOW behaves or talks in a way that's 举止或者一些言行 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 50:00NOW really flippant and overbearing. That makes me really 非常的轻浮和强势，会让我感到就是非常不舒 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 50:05NOW uncomfortable. Mm, right. 服，嗯，对。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 50:07NOW Mm, anyway, 嗯，反正， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 50:10NOW Hao Hao once complimented me, saying that even though I'm not great at replying quickly, 浩浩以前夸奖过我说，虽然我回消息不是特别及时，但是我是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 50:18NOW when I do see a message, I 看到消息的时候就会比较 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 50:20NOW reply really attentively. 专注的回。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 50:22NOW Basically, Hao Hao and I text the same way: the other person might send loads of messages, 就是，呃我和浩浩的回消息风格都是，可能对方发了很多条 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 50:27NOW a dozen or so, but when we see them, we'll quote 十几条吧，但看到的时候会一条一条的去 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 50:31NOW each one, and reply to them one by one. 引用，一条一条的去回复。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 50:34NOW She loves the way I reply. 她很喜欢我这样的回复风格 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 50:36NOW Yeah, I absolutely love it. It makes me feel so secure, like you really care about me, 对，我超级喜欢，因为很给人一种安全感，就是也有让我感觉到就是我是被你在乎着的感觉， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 50:44NOW or at least it lets me know 至少让我知道。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 50:46NOW that you're not mad at me and ignoring me on purpose, 就是你不是跟我闹脾气了，然后故意不理我， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 50:49NOW making me guess 然后怎么让我去猜， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 50:51NOW like that. That would make me feel awful. 拆去这个样子，我会觉得很难受 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 50:54NOW So if someone replies really coldly, is that one of your pet peeves too? 那如果别人就回消息非常冷淡的话，那是不是也是雷点之一？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 50:58NOW It depends. If they're really busy, I can actually understand. 看情况吧，就是说假如说是很忙的人，我其实是可以理解， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 51:02NOW And usually, 而且我平 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 51:03NOW when I send messages in long paragraphs like that, it's basically only to really close friends. 时发消息这样发一大段一大段的，基本上都是会跟很亲密的朋友去这样发消息， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 51:10NOW With people I'm not that close to, I probably send less, so I don't expect that from them. 如果是没有很熟的朋友的话，可能发的也比较少，然后我就不期待这样。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 51:16NOW But if I want to become friends with someone, early on I'll actually watch 但是我如果说想跟一个人成为朋友的话，其实我是前期会观察他的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 51:22NOW how they act. 一些行为的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 51:23NOW For example, if I notice they reply to me quickly, or seem really keen, 比如说我发现他回复我的消息很及时，然后或者是很积极的那种感觉， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 51:28NOW you can tell they're interested in being friends with you. 你就会觉得对方是跟你有兴趣成为朋友的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 51:32NOW Of course. 当然。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 51:32NOW Right. 对。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 51:33NOW When you're becoming friends, maybe one side is more proactive and chats a bit more, 就是，呃成为朋友的时候或许有一方会更加主动聊得更多一点， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 51:39NOW but you have to make sure both of you are really enjoying the friendship. 但是一定是要确认双方都很enjoy在这样的一个关系里面。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 51:45NOW Mm. 嗯 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 51:46NOW Just in case, and I do mean just in case, if I accidentally upset you, like, say, 万一哈，我是说万一，嗯，如果不小心触犯到了你，比如说， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 51:53NOW (laughs) I totally overslept today, not on purpose, but I stood you up, 哈哈，我真的今天完全睡过了，然后不是故意的，但是放了你的鸽子， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 52:00NOW what would I have to do 我要怎么样， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 52:00NOW for you to forgive me more easily? 你会比较容易原谅我呢， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:04NOW I'd forgive you really easily, because I know what your day-to-day rhythm is like, with your studies and your other projects. 我是很容易原谅你的，因为平时我知道你生活上就是学习或者是其他项目工作上是怎样的一个节奏。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:14NOW Mm, and I roughly know what you're busy 嗯，然后我是知道大概你是在忙 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 52:17NOW with, so 什么，然后 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:18NOW I don't have to 我就不用担 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 52:19NOW worry, mm, 心，嗯， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:20NOW about whether you've replied. And the next day, once you've got time, you'll 有没有回复我，然后第二天你反正一定是会，就有时间之后一 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 52:23NOW definitely make a point 定是会积 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:24NOW of getting back to me. So yeah, I'd forgive you easily. 极的找我的，所以我就是，会很容易原谅你。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:28NOW But if 但是如果说 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:30NOW I were really 真的很生 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 52:30NOW angry… What if it really was 气，万一真的 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:31NOW on purpose? 故意的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:32NOW Right, if it really was on purpose and I was really angry, 对，真的是故意的，很生气。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:35NOW then I think 那我觉得 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:36NOW you'd better take me out for a meal or something, treat me to something tasty, 可能说你最好是跟我，嗯，出去吃个饭呀什么，带我去吃点好吃的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:42NOW and my temper would probably cool right down. 我可能就是马上那个火就下去了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 52:45NOW And ideally, sweet-talk me a bit, pay me some compliments, that sort of thing, and I'd be even happier. 然后最好可以撒撒娇，夸夸我啊，怎么样了，会更开心 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 52:49NOW Your stomach has to be satisfied first, then your mood, and only then is there room for peace talks. 必须让你胃里有一点满足感，然后心情上才会有满足，才有和谈的空间。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 52:59NOW So far it hasn't come to that, but 目前为止还没有到需要用到这一招的时候，但是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:03NOW I'll save it for now, 我先存着 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:05NOW in case I ever need it. Then I'll use this move straight away, OK? 以防以后需要用到，就赶紧用上这一招，好吗？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:11NOW Drop to my knees and apologise on the spot. 立马滑跪道歉 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 53:13NOW Deal. 可以。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:21NOW Since today's the first episode, I bet you didn't see this coming: I'm determined to make a years-old wish come true, a corny variety-show 说到今天作为第一期呢，你一定没有想到，我一定要在第一期里面实现我一个多年来的综艺烂 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:29NOW gag I've always wanted to do. 梗心愿。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:32NOW While preparing 准备 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:33NOW today's episode, I knew there was one segment I definitely wanted to play with you. 今天的节目的时候，我就觉得有一个环节是一定想要和你玩一下的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:40NOW Guess what it is? 你猜是什么？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:41NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:42NOW The rapid-fire round, obviously! 就快问快答呗 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:44NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:46NOW OK then, so 那行吧，那，呃 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:48NOW let's do it like this: will you 这样子吧，就是，你先 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:51NOW ask me first, or shall I ask you first? 给我出问题，还是我先给你出问题 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 53:53NOW I'll ask you first, 呢，我先给你出 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:54NOW and after I answer, you have to answer too. 吧，呃然后我回答了之后你也得回答。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 53:57NOW Mm, OK, alright, let's go! The rapid-fire round, here it comes! 嗯，好，OK那行，来吧，快问快答，来了 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 54:00NOW OK. OK 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 54:05NOW Early bird or night owl? 早起还是熬夜 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:05NOW Mm, night owl. ？嗯，熬夜。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:09NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:10NOW What about you? Early bird or night owl? 那你呢，早起还是熬夜？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 54:12NOW I want to be an early bird, but in reality I'm a night owl. 我想早起，但实际熬夜。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 54:14NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:15NOW OK, my question next. 那下一个我的问题。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:17NOW Mm, when you have a fight, are you the first to apologise? 嗯，如果你吵架，会先道歉吗 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 54:19NOW If I'm in the wrong, I'll apologise first and wrap it up by acting cute. 我要是我错了，我会先道歉，并且以撒娇的方式结束。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 54:24NOW If it turns out you're the one in the wrong, but you insist I admit fault, I'll write up a court judgment 如果我发现是你错了，但非要让我承认错误的话，我会写一个判决书给 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:29NOW for you. 你。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:30NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:31NOW That's so 好可怕 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 54:31NOW scary! 啊 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 54:34NOW Right, my turn to ask. 对，该我的问题了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 54:35NOW Mm, do you think tests like the MBTI are accurate? 嗯，你认为MBTI这种测试准吗 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:39NOW I don't really buy it. The first time you asked me, I could barely remember mine, 我不是很相信，因为你第一次问我的时候，我都有点不记得了， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:43NOW but you've asked me so many times that now I know MBTI inside out. 是你实在问我太多遍了，导致我现在对mbti倒背如流。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:48NOW So do you think MBTI is accurate? 那你觉得mbti准吗 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 54:49NOW I think it's like a weather forecast: a useful reference, but not legally binding. 我觉得像天气预报，很有参考价值，但不具有法律效力 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 54:55NOW OK, next. If you hadn't chosen law back then, what would you be doing now? OK，下一个，如果当年没选法律，现在会在做什么， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 54:59NOW In my rosy daydreams, I'd be back in China as a travel blogger or a food critic. 美好想象中的我在国内应该是当一个旅游博主或者是美食品鉴家。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 55:07NOW Mm, but realistically, if I were back in China, I'd probably still be working in law. 嗯，但是如果说是现实中的我在国内的话，应该还是会从事法律行业 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:11NOW Ah, so it's not that different, really. 啊，其实就没有差很多 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 55:13NOW Right? Yeah, not much 对吧，对，没有差 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:15NOW different. 很多。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:15NOW OK, I'm not sure I can really answer this one myself. ok这个问题好像我自己有点没办法回答。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:17NOW Let's say, if I weren't studying 我就说如果我没读 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:20NOW my current subject, I feel like 现在的专业的话，我感觉 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:24NOW I might have ended up studying philosophy, who knows. 人生可能有一点会去念哲学说不定 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 55:27NOW Philosophy, huh? 念哲学嘛 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:28NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:30NOW No idea. Just setting aside 不知道啊，就不考虑现 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 55:31NOW reality. 实。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 55:31NOW So put the two of us together and you get philosophy of law! (laughs) 那咱俩结合起来不就是法哲嘛，哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:34NOW (laughs) 哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:35NOW OK, so, your next OK，那那你下一个 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 55:38NOW question. 问题。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 55:38NOW OK, next question. 好，下一个问题。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 55:39NOW Since coming to Germany, what's the one thing you miss the most? 来德国以后，你最想念的一样东西是什么？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:43NOW Food was the first thing that came to mind. 我第一时间就想到了吃的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:46NOW I thought of knife-cut noodles. 我想到的是刀削面 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 55:48NOW Tell me about it. The first thing I thought of was food too. I want those wild persimmons picked in the mountains, and 谁说不是呢，我第一我第一想到的也是吃的，我想要吃那种山里面摘的那种野柿子和 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:55NOW wild walnuts. 野核桃。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:56NOW Ah. 啊 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:57NOW That's true, over here… 这个确实在这边。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 55:58NOW Right, and it's autumn now, too. 对，现在也是秋天了嘛 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 55:59NOW It's exactly the season for them. 刚好是那个季节。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:01NOW It really is. 确实。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:01NOW OK, next one. 好，下一个 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:03NOW What song have you had on repeat lately? 最近单曲循环的歌是什么？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 56:06NOW It's "Tong Dao" by Jess Lee. 是李佳薇的《同道》 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:09NOW Never heard of it. 没听过。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:10NOW So I can't sing it for you, either. (laughs) 我也唱不了啊，哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:13NOW I'll pop a short clip of it in later. 我等会在剧里插入，插入一小端。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 56:16NOW Oh, sure, sure. It's from a show that's really popular right now, the drama Lan Xiang Ru Gu — 哦，可以可以，因为就是最近比较火的一个电视剧叫《兰香如故》， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 56:21NOW one of the songs from it. Yeah. 然后它的一个，一个歌曲，对。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:23NOW Mm-hmm. 嗯嗯。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:37NOW Hmm… 嗯 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:38NOW What I've had on repeat lately… I really have to, really have to check. 我最近单曲循环的，我真得，我真得看一下。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 56:42NOW Let's see, let's see… 看着看着看 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:43NOW …let's see, let's see… 着看着看着 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 56:45NOW On my way back here 我回来的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:48NOW I was still listening to it. 路上还在听呢。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:49NOW Oh, it's, um, Liang Bo's "I Don't Know". 哦，那个，呃梁博的《我不知道》， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:53NOW "I Don't Know." Mm, OK — and you don't know it either. 我不知道，嗯，好的，你也不知道 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 56:56NOW You can slip that one in later too — 一会儿回去也可以插一下 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:57NOW just a little snippet. 子， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 56:58NOW I can tell — you don't 看出来了，你也 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:00NOW know mine either, and I didn't know yours. 不知道，我也不知道 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:01NOW They're both new songs. OK. 都新歌，OK 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:14NOW What's the German phrase you say most often? 你最常说的一句德语是什么？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 57:17NOW Entschuldigung ("excuse me"). Entschuldigung 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:20NOW So polite? 这么礼貌吗？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:21NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈哈 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:23NOW Mine's "Ja, genau". 我最常说的 Ja, genau 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 57:25NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈哈。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:26NOW As in, "yep, exactly". 就是这样 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 57:27NOW That one sounds very affirmative. 这个非常有肯定性的感觉。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 57:29NOW Right, 对的， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:30NOW No worries — from now on, you apologise first: "Entschuldigung." And I go: right, that's right, "Ja, genau". 没事，你以后你就说你先道歉就说，Entschuldigung，对了，这对了，Ja, genau 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 57:35NOW Hey, don't take advantage of me! — Yep. 不要占我便宜是的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 57:38NOW Umm… what does your ideal weekend look 呃呃呃呃呃里想中的周末是长什么样 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:42NOW like? 子？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:42NOW Playing a bit of sport with friends, 跟朋友打打球。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:44NOW going shopping, eating good food, and spending a day resting at home. 逛街，吃好吃的，在自己家里面休息一天 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 57:48NOW Mm. 嗯 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 57:49NOW Well, all I can say is, 那我只能说， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 57:53NOW same here. 我也一样， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 57:54NOW Ditto! 俺也一样 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 57:55NOW A lot of our ideal weekends are pretty similar, but if I added one more thing, it'd probably be 我们俩很多那个理想周末还比较比较一样，但我如果再加一点的话可能就是， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:02NOW making podcast episodes with friends, editing podcast 和朋友在一起做播客节目，剪播客 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:05NOW episodes, mm, and then 节目，嗯，然后 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:06NOW putting out the podcast I've 发布我的播客节目的制 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:08NOW produced. 作。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:08NOW Yeah, I'm all for it. I'm really 对，我很鼓励，我很 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:09NOW looking forward to it. 期待。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:10NOW For me, that's the ideal weekend, because editing podcast episodes never tires me out — 对我来说就是很理想的周末，因为我是剪播客节目是不会觉得累， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:15NOW mm, if anything, it's how I 嗯，呃反而是一个回血的过 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:17NOW recharge. 程。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:17NOW Mm, and it's really enjoyable, too. 嗯，而且也很享受 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:19NOW OK. OK。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:19NOW Really nice. 真不错。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:20NOW I'll leave the last question to you. 呃呃最后一题交给你吧 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:22NOW OK, last question. 好，最后一题。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:24NOW What are you most afraid of? 你最害怕什么？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:26NOW Good question. (laughs) 好问题，哈哈 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:28NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:29NOW I'll have to think about that one, 这得想一下吧， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:30NOW OK, let's have a think. 好，我们想想 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:31NOW Quick… 快点，呃 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:33NOW What am I afraid of… 害怕什么呢，呃 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:38NOW I don't think there's anything in particular lately, 好像，最近好像没有什么特别， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:41NOW Nothing in particular lately? Then is there anything you've been afraid of since the day you were 最近没有什么特别，那有没有从生下来就害怕的东 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:45NOW born? 西？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:45NOW Lettuce. Lettuce. 生菜，生菜， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:49NOW The one food I'll never accept as long as I live: lettuce. I hate lettuce, too. 这辈子无法接受的食物就是生菜，我也讨厌生菜。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:53NOW So what are you afraid of? 那你害怕什么吗？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 58:54NOW What pops into your head 在脑子里现在马上想 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:56NOW right now? 到？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 58:56NOW What scares me most right now is having to deal with people who are kind of… flippant and overbearing. 我现在最害怕的就是那种比较……轻浮和强势的人在跟我交流。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 59:02NOW It puts me under so much 我觉得我的整个心理压力是很 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:04NOW pressure. 大的。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:04NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:05NOW OK, got it. OK呃呃get 到了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:08NOW Hey, I think, I think we should make the rapid-fire round a permanent fixture of the show. 哎，我觉得，我觉得以后这个，快问快答环节可以设为节目的常驻机制。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:14NOW It's so much fun. 真的很好玩 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 59:15NOW (laughs) It really is. 哈哈哈，是啊 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:16NOW No wonder it never goes out of style on variety shows. 怪不得在所有综艺里面长盛不衰。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 59:19NOW Mm, exactly. I really love this 嗯，没错，我很喜欢这个环 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:21NOW segment. 节 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:21NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈，呃 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:23NOW But, but, it's not like the two of us are always 但是，但是，我们俩也不是一直 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:26NOW roasting each other like this, right? We do have, we do have lots of sweet moments, too. 这么，互怼环节啦，对吧，还是有，还是有很多温馨时刻 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 59:32NOW Exactly. 的，没错 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 59:33NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:34NOW We've got to show off some of our sweet moments, right? Yes. 不是得展示一下我们温馨时刻吧，是的， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:43NOW Not long ago, we went to Oktoberfest together, and I think it was 我们前不久呢，一起去了啤酒节来着，然后我觉得那个啤酒节是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:49NOW the most fun Oktoberfest of my three or so years in Germany. 来德国三年左右的时间最开心的一个啤酒节 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 59:54NOW Mm, same for me. I've been here in Munich for about four 嗯，对我来讲也是，我在慕尼黑这边也是待了有四年左 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 59:59NOW years now. 右了。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 59:59NOW Mm, I'd say this year's was the most, most, most fun Oktoberfest I've ever had. 嗯，今年的啤酒节可以说是我最最最开心的一次啤酒节 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 60:04NOW Mm, for one thing, it was the first time nine of us went to Oktoberfest together, so we tried loads of 嗯，首先是第一次我们有九个人一起去啤酒节，所以尝试了非常多， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 60:11NOW rides we'd probably never have tried with just two or three of us. Mm, we went on a roller coaster — 我们自己之前可能两三个人不太会去尝试的项目，嗯，玩了过山车， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 60:18NOW I hadn't been on one in years. If everyone hadn't said OK 我已经很多年没有玩过过山车了，如果不是所有人都说OK， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 60:23NOW to this one, there's no way on earth I'd have got 就玩这个，我应该打死都不会坐上 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 60:26NOW on it. 去的。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 60:26NOW Same here. If I went to Oktoberfest on my own, I'd never dare go on rides like that, but with everyone there with me, 我也是，我要是自己去啤酒节的话，我不敢做这种项目，但是如果有大家在一起陪着的话， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 60:32NOW I get this courage that just wells up out of nowhere. 我就有一种，由然而生的勇气。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 60:35NOW And on the roller coaster, Hao Hao and I happened to be sitting side by side, 而且当时坐过山车的时候，刚好我和浩浩两个人是并排坐的嘛， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 60:40NOW so we held on to each other's hands, and gripped the bar with our other hands, 然后我们两个彼此拽住彼此的手，然后另外一只手拽着那个杠子， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 60:45NOW and just… 就…… 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 60:46NOW felt like our hearts were about to jump out of our chests. 感觉心脏快跳出来了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 60:48NOW We nearly 都 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 60:48NOW got flung right off! 被甩飞了要 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 60:50NOW And from the outside, that roller coaster looked nowhere near as 而且那个过山车在外面看起来完全没有它实际坐起来的感觉那么 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 60:55NOW fast as it actually felt. 快。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 60:55NOW Right, because from the outside it just looks like a really short, really cute little roller coaster. 对，因为外表看上去就是一个很短，然后又很可爱的一种过山车 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:01NOW And it doesn't even have any upside-down 而且没有那种倒挂的环 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 61:03NOW loops. 节。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 61:03NOW Right. 对啊 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:04NOW Never thought I'd still feel like I was about to get flung off. 没有想到还是觉得快被甩飞。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:06NOW Yeah, I didn't expect that when it shot forward 对，没想到猛冲 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 61:07NOW it'd still hit that hard. 的时候还是力度很大 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:09NOW Yeah, and it lurches really, really hard from side to side. 对，而且他会有左右很大很大的晃动。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:12NOW Right. 对。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:12NOW But even that embarrassing moment got caught on camera by a friend in the front row, 但是就这么久的时刻还有，前排的朋友给我们记录下来， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 61:17NOW Exactly. 没错 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 61:18NOW Thank you for capturing such a crazy, adorable 谢谢你，给我们记录下来这么疯狂又可爱的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:22NOW moment of ours. Ah, 衣服，啊， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:25NOW That was so much fun. And also, it'd been ages since I'd been on the 这个真的是很好玩，然后还有那个，也很久没有去 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:30NOW bumper cars. 坐碰碰车了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:32NOW Mm, yeah — for when you've got some everyday grudge you'd rather not say out loud. 嗯，是，嗯，当你有，平时有什么，不想宣之于口的仇怨的时候。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:38NOW Exactly. (laughs) 没错，哈哈， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 61:39NOW It's the perfect chance to take revenge 这就是很好的一个报复他人的机 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:42NOW on people. 会。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:42NOW Oh, right — just pick your target and go for it. 哦，对，直接找准备。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 61:43NOW Right — got a score to settle? Settle it! 对，有仇报仇，有怨报怨 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:45NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:47NOW And there were so many revenge moments — I've still got them saved from back then… 然后有非常多的报仇环节，我现在都还存着那个时候 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 61:51NOW And, yeah, the funniest part was, at first I forgot to put the token in, 而且，对，而且最搞笑的是，因为当时我一开始我忘了投那个B， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 61:56NOW so I kept thinking, why won't my car 所以我最爱想说，为什么我的车开不 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 61:58NOW move? Mm, 动呢？嗯， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 61:59NOW but people behind me kept 但是后面一直有人在 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 62:00NOW ramming into me — so frustrating, and I couldn't ram them back. 撞嘛，很急，撞不回去 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 62:03NOW So frustrating — I was itching to get my revenge. 很急又要报仇了我感觉 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 62:05NOW Right, you couldn't hit back, 对，撞不回去， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 62:08NOW And here's a little secret for everyone: this time at Oktoberfest, you know how 而且，跟大家透露一下是，我们这一次在啤酒节的时候不是， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 62:14NOW there are usually shooting games? Right. This time we had loads of sharpshooters with us, 经常会玩到可能打枪的环节嘛，对，这一次呢，有非常多打枪的高手， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 62:20NOW and they coached us. I'm the one who never quite got it, but Hao Hao's the one who graduated. 然后一起调教了我们，我是属于没有调教出来的那一个，但是浩浩是属于出师了的那一个 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 62:26NOW Because everyone taught us like real pros. They told me how to line up my aim — 因为大家教的真的超级专业，就是告诉我，然后要描横， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 62:31NOW which spot to aim for — and I got the hang of it really fast. Same with badminton: 就是瞄准哪一个点，然后很快就悟到了，打羽毛球也是这样， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 62:36NOW everyone's always so patient 大家永远这么耐心的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 62:37NOW teaching me. After that round with the air rifles, we even won a few little prizes. 在教我，那次打完气枪之后，我们还赢到了一些小小的奖励品。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 62:42NOW Like a little key charm shaped like an avocado — it's on my keyring now. 现在就钥匙的挂坠，长成牛油果形状的，已经挂在了我的钥匙链上。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 62:48NOW Yeah, so even though we didn't hit much, we still got to enjoy the lovely fruits of our labour. 对，就虽然没有打中很多，但是享受到了这个美丽的成果。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 62:53NOW Exactly. And 没错，然后 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 62:54NOW everyone worked hard to help us rack up points, too. 大家也是会努力帮我们去积分。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 62:56NOW And later on, an avocado plushie got nabbed 后来还有一个牛油果的玩偶也被我给撸 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 62:59NOW by yours truly. 走了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 62:59NOW Oh, so it was you — it's at your place! I was wondering where that avocado had gone. 哦，是你到，是你那里，我还说那个牛油果去哪里了 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 63:05NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 63:07NOW And if there hadn't been so many of us, I'd never in my life have gone on that tallest swing ride. 而且如果不是这么多人的话，我应该这辈子都不会去做那个最高的那个飞椅 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 63:12NOW Ah, actually I'm pretty scared of heights too, and I was really scared of going on that swing ride, 啊，其实我也是蛮恐高症的一个人，然后那个飞椅其实我也是很害怕做， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 63:18NOW but hey — can't handle it, still love it. 但是又菜又爱玩 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 63:20NOW Mm. 嗯 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 63:21NOW When the two of us went up together, once it started rising, Hao Hao — the one who'd egged me on to go — 我们两个一起上去的时候，在他开始升空了之后，浩浩本来是作为撺掇我上去的人， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 63:30NOW ended up the most terrified of all. 变成最害怕之人。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 63:31NOW As soon as we went up, she shut her eyes. So she could feel me even with them closed, I used every ounce of strength 一升空，他就开始闭上眼睛，然后我为了让他在闭上眼睛的时候能感受到我使出浑身的力气， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 63:40NOW to hold her hand, and gripped the chain with the other. 抓住了他的手，然后另外用一只手抓那个链子。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 63:43NOW And Hao Hao… kept calling my name. She was like, "Tao Tao, are you there?" 浩浩还……一直在喊我的名字，她说桃桃，你在吗？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 63:47NOW "Tao Tao, are you there?" 桃桃，你在吗？ 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 63:48NOW I said, "I'm holding you this tight!" All I could say was, "I'm here, I'm here, I'm here." 我说我抓你这么紧了，我只能说我在，我在，我在 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 63:52NOW Because when I'm really scared and nervous, I really want someone there chatting with me, 因为我特别害怕和紧张的时候，我特别希望有一个人能陪我一起聊天， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 63:57NOW to take the edge off my nerves. So the whole time, I just kept 然后就是缓解一下我这个紧张的心情，所以当时我就一直是， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 64:01NOW squeezing Tao Tao's hand tight and asking her, "Are you there?" And afterwards, a friend teased us, 就是紧紧捏着桃桃的手，然后我一直在问他你在吗，然后后来就有一个朋友他就是调侃， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 64:08NOW saying Tao Tao was actually way too nice. 就说其实桃桃人还是太好了 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 64:10NOW Like, back then you 你当时 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 64:11NOW should've said "I'm here, I'm here" at first, then stopped answering her, so Hao Hao would think you'd been flung off, 应该一开始说我在我在，后面你就不搭理他了，然后浩浩以为已经被甩飞了， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 64:16NOW and make it all even scarier 给他营造一种更可怕的 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 64:17NOW for her. 氛围。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 64:18NOW I remember our friend watching from down below as we started spinning up in the sky, and telling me 我记得他在下面看我们在天上开始旋转的时候，他告诉我，他说。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 64:25NOW that what was going through their head was, "Why's it spinning so slowly? It should go faster!" (laughs) 他的心理活动是，怎么赚得这么慢，应该再快一点，哈哈， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 64:30NOW "Otherwise, how is it worth the ticket?" 不然怎么值回票价呢 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 64:32NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 64:39NOW Now that we've chatted this long, 聊到现在 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 64:40NOW anyone who's listened this far can totally get why 真的能够听到这会儿的人完全能够get到为什么 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 64:45NOW I invited Hao Hao to be our very first guest. 我会邀请浩浩做我们的第一位嘉宾了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 64:49NOW Mm, yes, 嗯，是 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 64:50NOW and honestly, I'm really honoured to be the guest on the first episode. 的，其实我也很荣幸可以做第一期嘉宾。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 64:54NOW For me, making this podcast is 对于我来讲，说，做这个播客节目，呃是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 65:00NOW a pretty different kind of experiment. On a podcast, you can have deeper, 一个很不一样的尝试吧在播客里面，你能够和朋友有更加深入， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 65:08NOW quieter conversations with friends, and hear the stories they don't usually tell in front of other people. 更加安静的交谈，你可以了解到朋友，平时不太在更多人面前讲述的故事。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 65:17NOW I do have a tiny bit of podcast experience myself, because at my previous university, 我自己算是有一点点的播客经验，因为我在上一个大学的时候呢， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 65:24NOW I was involved with the campus radio station. But it's been many, many years since I last 参加过学校广播台的活动，但是到现在已经有非常非常多年，没有。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 65:30NOW recorded a podcast. 再去录制播客了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 65:32NOW I never expected that, with a recent opportunity and everyone's encouragement, I'd get the chance to start a podcast-style show 没有想到说，在最近的契机里面，也在大家的鼓励之下，有这样的机会把播客这个形式的节目重新 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 65:42NOW again — and get such a warm response from so many friends. So, here, I just want to say 做起来，又得到了很多朋友们的热情响应，在此呢，就是 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 65:49NOW a huge thank you to everyone. I think 非常的感谢大家，我觉得 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 65:51NOW lots of different friends will show up in this series, one after another. 不同的朋友都会在这个系列里面陆陆续续的出现。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 65:55NOW Mm. 嗯 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 65:56NOW And I'm really happy I got to be part of recording RESOU. 而且我也很开心可以就是，参加我们 RESOU 的录播。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 66:03NOW Mm, because for me, being the first guest, I feel like 嗯，因为，对我来讲，我觉得作为第一期嘉宾的感受，觉得， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 66:07NOW maybe other friends have richer stories, and the episode would turn out 嗯，可能还有其他的朋友们故事更加丰富，然后节目效果会 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 66:14NOW even better. (laughs) 更好，哈哈哈 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 66:15NOW But I think the more important thing is that we have to know 但是我觉得比较重要的一点是，我们一定要知道我们 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 66:20NOW why we're making RESOU, and why we're 为什么做 RESOU，然后为什么，我们 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 66:24NOW sitting here together talking about people's stories. Because for Tao Tao and me, 一起坐在这里去聊大家的一些故事，因为对我和桃桃来讲呢， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 66:28NOW we've both fought our way through real battles, and we've always been looking for ways to keep healing ourselves, 我们两个都是在战场上厮杀过的人，然后我们一直在寻找不断治愈自己的办法， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 66:37NOW and then, in some really… warm moments, we found each other. 然后我们又在很……温暖的一些时刻里，然后遇到了彼此， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 66:42NOW I think we took different roads to the same place, so I hope Tao Tao and I can record more of these moments in life — 我觉得我们是殊途同归的人，所以我就希望跟桃桃可以记录下来更多的这种人生时刻， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 66:51NOW they mean so much to us. 对我们来讲意义重大。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 66:58NOW In our real, offline, everyday lives, mm, conversations like today's 在线下的真实的日常生活里面，嗯，类似于今天这样的对谈啊， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 67:05NOW and reflecting on each other's ideas happen all the time. 然后对彼此的想法的思考啊，常常发生。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 67:10NOW At some point, I really, really wanted to take such beautiful reflections and such heartfelt conversations 某一个时刻的时候很迫切想要把这么美丽的思考，这么真挚的对谈， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 67:17NOW and capture them in some form. 以一个形式让它记录下来。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 67:19NOW Friends have asked us before, "Hey, so what's the RESOU podcast actually about?" 之前还有朋友在问我们说，哎，RESOU 的播客到底是什么样的主题呢， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 67:27NOW "What style is it going for?" The short answer I give them: it's a chit-chat show. 它希望是什么样的风格呢，我简短地讲的时候，我跟他们说是唠嗑风格， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 67:33NOW The more serious answer is, mm, first of all, I think every single friend around me, 如果比较认真讲的话是，嗯，首先，我觉得我身边的每一个朋友， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 67:40NOW Hao Hao included, of course, has been through so many different things in life — moments of real courage, 当然包括浩浩，绝对都是有非常多的不同的人生经历，经历过很勇敢， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 67:49NOW of helplessness, maybe 很无助，可能 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 67:51NOW of deep sadness. Step by step, on their own, they got through those hard times 很难过的时刻，靠着自己一步一步，熬过那些艰难的时刻， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 67:57NOW and found their way to me, so we got the chance to become friends. 走到了我的身边，让大家有机会成为朋友。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 68:02NOW Those moments that quietly shine — maybe 那些，默默地闪光的时刻可能 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 68:07NOW it's not that they aren't dazzling enough. They're just missing someone to record them. 不是代表它不够璀璨，它只是缺少了一个记录的人而已。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 68:11NOW I feel so lucky to be that recorder — capturing not just my friends' glory in their big highlight moments, 我非常有幸能够作为这样的一个记录的角色，记录朋友们不只是在非常高光的时刻的荣耀， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 68:22NOW but also their thoughts in everyday life, and even in the more turbulent times. 也希望记录朋友们在日常，甚至是在比较动荡的时刻的思考。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 68:28NOW A marker of where we are right now, and a slice of memory we can look back on once some time has passed. 作为我们当下的一个记忆的节点，也想成为我们以后在过了一段时间之后会看的一个记忆的切片。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 68:39NOW Exactly. 没 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 68:39NOW I've always really supported Tao Tao 错，我一直很支持桃桃就是 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 68:44NOW doing RESOU, because I can see she really enjoys it. And I'm so glad that in something she enjoys, I get to be 做 RESOU，因为我觉得在里面她很享受，然后我也很庆幸自己可以成为她享受的事情中的其中 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 68:52NOW a part of it. 一部分。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 68:53NOW Right. 对 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 68:53NOW A really important chapter — a really 非常重要的篇章，非常 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 68:56NOW important opening. Yeah. And with RESOU, actually, a lot of 重要的开篇，对，而且，我们就是做 RESOU 的话，其实我们很多， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 69:02NOW other people might ask, "Hey, will it be a success?" 像其他人他可能会问，哎，会不会成功 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 69:05NOW and all that, 啊，然后怎么样， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 69:07NOW Mm, but I think Tao Tao and I are more like, "So when do we start?" 嗯，我觉得我跟桃桃更偏向于，就说，我们什么时候开始 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 69:11NOW (laughs) 哈哈， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 69:12NOW Yeah, we're the kind of people who enjoy the process. 对，就是享受过程中的人 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 69:14NOW That's really moving. Because of voices like this, I want to keep the Friends series going on and on. 这个就是，非常感动吧，因为这样子的声音，我会想要一直把朋友系列持续持续地做下去 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 69:23NOW Mm, so… do you want to 嗯，所以，呃你想 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 69:27NOW hear why I invited you to be the first guest — my most honest 听一下我说为什么邀请你成为第一期嘉宾最真实的想 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 69:33NOW thoughts? 法吗？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 69:34NOW Mm, I'd love to know. 嗯，我很想知道 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 69:36NOW I simply wanted to invite my best friend — the person who always thinks I'm great, 就很单纯地想邀请最好的朋友啊，永远觉得，我很棒的人， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 69:42NOW who's always been RESOU's biggest supporter. You're basically RESOU's godmother. 永远最支持 RESOU 的人，你就是 RESOU 的干妈来着。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 69:48NOW Oh my 天 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 69:49NOW gosh, I feel so blessed! 哪，我好幸福 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 69:51NOW Mm, you back every idea I have, whether it's sensible or totally out there. 嗯，是最支持我的每一个或者靠谱或者是天马行空的想法的人。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 69:58NOW Mm, I hope this first conversation of ours — our two voices — can be the cornerstone of the whole RESOU podcast. 嗯，呃希望我们两个人的第一期的对谈，我们两个的声音可以成为 RESOU podcast的整个的基石。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:07NOW Mm, yeah. And then together we'll welcome the friends who come after. 嗯，对，然后我们一起欢迎后面的朋友们。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:10NOW Right. 对 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:12NOW (laughs) 哈哈哈 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:13NOW So, we're 那，我们 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:16NOW just about at the end of today's episode, 今天的节目到这里就差不多啦， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:20NOW and it's almost time to say goodbye to everyone. 到了快要和大家说再见的时候了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:24NOW There are still so many topics to cover and stories to tell, so let's save some of the deeper stories 虽然还有很多很多的话题，可以聊很多很多的故事要讲，那我们就把一些更深入的故事， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:34NOW and the tougher experiences for the next time Hao Hao comes back on the RESOU podcast. 更不容易的精力放在下一次浩浩再来我们 RESOU 播客的节目上吧。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:40NOW OK. 好。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:41NOW So don't worry — Hao Hao is absolutely a regular guest on RESOU. She has to come back, 所以不用担心，浩浩绝对是 RESOU 的常驻嘉宾，必须要返场， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:46NOW and you'll hear Hao Hao and me chatting every so often about what's on our minds, or about even more fun stuff. 会经常听到浩浩和我时不时的聊一些自己的想法，或者是一些更有趣的事情。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:55NOW Mm. 嗯 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:55NOW If you 如果你 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 70:57NOW came back to RESOU a second time, what would you want to talk about? 第二次再来 RESOU 的话，你会想讲点什么？ 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 71:01NOW Mm, if I come back next time, I'd like to talk about — since I came out of the Hengshui High School education system — 嗯，我如果下次再来的话，我想聊一聊，因为我是从衡水中学教育体制中出来的人，然后， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 71:11NOW I'd like to talk about how I went from someone chasing worldly success, wound tight every day, 我想聊一聊如何是从一个追求世俗成功，每天紧绷着的人， 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 71:17NOW to slowly 慢慢地 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 71:18NOW healing myself, and gradually becoming someone more relaxed, who isn't always so hard on herself. 治愈自己，然后慢慢地活成一个偏向于松弛，不对自己永远那么苛刻的人 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 71:25NOW Mm, 嗯， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 71:27NOW Aw, that's such a gentle topic. I'm really looking forward to sharing that part with everyone too, 哎，这个是一个非常温柔的话题，我也很期待和大家分享这个部分， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 71:34NOW because that's the story of Hao Hao and me getting out of "prison". Exactly. 因为这个就是我和浩浩出狱的故事，没错 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 71:38NOW One last word of encouragement for everyone: after coming to Germany, you'll probably run into difficulties, big and small. 最后我再鼓励一句大家，就是来德国之后可能会遇到多多少少大小的困难。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 71:45NOW Mm, I believe every difficulty can be worked out with time. Whatever you do, don't let temporary setbacks 嗯，我觉得困难都是会随着时间可以解决的，大家一定不要因为暂时的困难。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 71:52NOW make you keep beating yourself up. 不断地去为难自己 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 71:55NOW When you're stuck in a hard place, it always feels like the sky's falling in, like it's really all over. 被困难困住的时候都会觉得是不是天要塌了，是不是真的完蛋了。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 72:03NOW That's when you might really need to give yourself a little time, and first, believe that you're not done for. 这个时候可能你真的需要给自己一点点的时间，先相信自己不要完蛋。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 72:11NOW And then, mm, 然后，嗯 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 72:12NOW if you have friends who can catch you, I hope they'll be there to hear you out. 如果你可以有朋友能够接住你的话，希望有朋友能够听到你的倾诉。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 72:18NOW And if not, I hope this little chat on RESOU can keep you company. 如果没有的话，也希望 RESOU 这一点小小的闲聊可以陪伴你。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 72:25NOW Far away, in a podcast, there are two voices that won't judge you. I hope you'll believe in yourself, and know those voices are with you. 在远方，在播客里面有两个不会 judge 你的声音，希望你相信自己的声音在陪你。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 72:34NOW Mm, mm. You've got this, you've got this. OK, this is where we reluctantly start saying bye-bye. 嗯，嗯，加油，加油，好，就要在这里开始和大家不舍地说拜拜啦 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 72:43NOW Bye, everyone! Hope to see you again next time! 拜拜大家，希望下次再见到你们呦 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 72:47NOW Before we officially wrap up, a big thank-you to our friends for recording the outro for the RESOU podcast. 在正式结束之前呢，非常感谢朋友们帮 RESOU 的播客录制了片尾， 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 72:55NOW With all those lively voices playing us out, Hao Hao and I are off to have our dinner. 在这样子的热热闹闹的声音里面，我要和浩浩准备去吃我们的晚餐啦。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 73:03NOW That's a wrap. Bye-bye. 告一段落，拜拜。 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 73:03NOW Bye, everyone — stay happy! 拜拜大家，希望大家都开开心心咯 浩浩 · Hao Hao — 73:08NOW OK. OK 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 73:09NOW Here you go, everyone — 来给大家。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 73:10NOW have a listen to the outro our friends put so much care into recording. 给大家听一下朋友们精心参与的这个片尾的录制环节。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 73:16NOW It's just Hao Hao for now, but more and more friends will keep showing up on RESOU. 虽然现在只出现了浩浩，但是后面会有越来越多的朋友们继续出现在 RESOU。 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 73:23NOW Stay tuned! Bye-bye, bye-bye! 敬请期待，拜拜，拜拜 桃桃 · Host (Tao Tao) — 73:37NOW MUSIC MUSIC
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